just wonderin if you had b16 in 92 hatch with typer tranny, how much hp would you need if you wanted to beat a stock type r????? and what is the cheapest easiest way to do that??

 

turbo.

the problem is, a b16 is garbage...it has no torque, which means u need to rev the nuts off of it to move anywhere.

good luck

 

Cheapest way, boost.

 

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I wouldn't necessarily say that...

 

poorman's type r

 

well your saying that its cheaper to buy a turbo kit and tune it and install..... then upgrading your motor with better all motor parts then tuning it to beat stock type r???? i know a type r isnt insanly fast but i still want to be (as) fast you know...

 

wait you can makea power mans with a b16?? im dumb i thought that was with a b18c1??

 

first off b16's arent garbage.
second the power to weight ratio needs to be considered in this match up.
third is boost is the cheapest a best way to make horepower.
and last why is beating a stock type r your concern? lol

 

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gsr block b16 head. Anyways do you really want to put all of your money into your motor just to beat an ITR? What are your ultimate goals? I hope that isn't it. Boost is still going to be your best option.

 

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I wouldn't necessarily say that...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry man, but it really is lol. I would much rather have a b18b. More torque, lots of potential, much cheaper to purchase, very strong stock block...

You really can't go wrong.

 

i just want to be as fast thats all, just to start out, becuz once i get my dd then ill start doing major work to my honda

 

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Sorry man, but it really is lol. I would much rather have a b18b. More torque, lots of potential, much cheaper to purchase, very strong stock block...

You really can't go wrong.</TD></TR></TABLE>

To each their own. A b18b would be a fun motor to have also.

 

well i already have a b16 in my car and i dont feel like spending money on swapping another motor right now... i just want to see what this motor can do and handle before i got to a bigger motor... i like my b16 its just kool cuz of the high rev and vtec ....

 

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To start out then, just get a good I/H/E, until you are ready to do "major work." You won't match an ITR without doing some work. The ITR is going to have more torque than your b16 unless you go with a turbo setup. Pretty much as simple as that.

 

well im running hondata with type rmapping but i dont have it tuned .. i have i/h/e already with type r transmision full interior civc hatch si... motor is stock as it stands

 

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thats about what a b16 does. im not into the whole .2 difference in liter on the motor hype myself... i can run my stock b16 w/ stock GSR's all day.

 

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To start out then, just get a good I/H/E, until you are ready to do "major work." You won't match an ITR without doing some work. The ITR is going to have more torque than your b16 unless you go with a turbo setup. Pretty much as simple as that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

x2

 

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I guess you could get some decent cams and valvetrain then. But I still recommend going boost if you want the most for your money.

 

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thats about what a b16 does. im not into the whole .2 difference in liter on the motor hype myself... i can run my stock b16 w/ stock GSR's all day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your stock b16a vs. a stock b18c in the same chassis...?

um am i missing something lol i can't see how u will keep up...unless the gs-r driver can't shift

 

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Your stock b16a vs. a stock b18c in the same chassis...?

um am i missing something lol i can't see how u will keep up...unless the gs-r driver can't shift</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right about this. The gsr will be quicker. Anyways back on topic before this turns into another one of those b16 vs b18 battle threads.

 

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Your stock b16a vs. a stock b18c in the same chassis...?

um am i missing something lol i can't see how u will keep up...unless the gs-r driver can't shift</TD></TR></TABLE>
b18c1 right?? i have JDM B16A... raced one at the track. ran 14.9 he ran 15.2.

if we are talking JDM b18c then theres no effing way.

 

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b18c1 right?? i have JDM B16A... raced one at the track. ran 14.9 he ran 15.2.

if we are talking JDM b18c then theres no effing way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There isn't a great amount of difference between the jdm and usdm motors. Not saying there isn't a difference, but nothing huge. If you have a jdm b16a..170hp vs a usdm gsr 170 hp, and the gsr has more torque. Stock for stock, same driver, the gsr will win. End of discussion, moving on, back to this guy's question.

 

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You're right about this. The gsr will be quicker. Anyways back on topic before this turns into another one of those b16 vs b18 battle threads.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL, yes you're right. BUT, the thread is titled "type r vs b16"

 

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LOL, yes you're right. BUT, the thread is titled "type r vs b16" </TD></TR></TABLE>

I know I know lol, but I can see this getting out of hand quickly.

 

i wasnt meaning to get it out of hand but just defending the b16's. anyways boost is in the future... that all i have to offer. unless u would rather spend 3k on cams, IM,TB, valvetrain, header, and still be about the same a a type r.