So i work with a guy who has a 1998 Integra LS. The car has just over 100k on it. He wont sell until after winter because he is going to paint it, (sanding it down and all that good stuff) the same stock color, which is like a blue, dont know the exact name of the color.

He is also going to be putting in a newer engine and transmission.

So my question to him was are you going to replace the engine with an LS motor or gsr and he said which ever he can find with low miles on. He will be buying it from a company and not a private party.

So what should i look for and try to stay away from?

Also whats the biggest difference between the LS and the GSR besides the obvious V-tec?

Thanks guys!

 

the GSR has a shorter tranny and the LS is longer.

um, the GSR produces more power over the LS.

um i guess look for any rust on his car? which i HIGHLY doubt but seeing as he lives where it snows.

other than that im not really sure, just make sure its clean and make sure he doesnt swap in a fucked up motor


buy it , smash on it, then

 

Yeah i did a pretty intensive visual and the car looks to be rust free. I personally hope he gets the gsr engine/tranny because i dont feel like doing a LS/Vtec transformation.

The car is clean, and will be even more eye candy when he gets the paint done.

I already told him I want to be with him when hes doing all of this, so that way i know hes not goin to mess something up.

ANother question, what do you think this car would be worth?

It has rims, 16's (not sure the exact rim, but seen on a few cars, rim is gun metal with polished lip) no curb rash and Toyo proxys on it. Lowered on JDM coil overs. Has 5% tint on back windows and 15% side windows.

Plus going to make him go to the California BAR to make sure engine swap is legit and get the sticker.

 

lmao wtf go Ls/vtec you'll be spankin **** on the street you have a LS/v-tec and a gsr the ls vtec is takin it ... ooooo peiople say that they hate goin ls becuz it doesnt rev high... big ****** deal my boy got a ls thats redlinin at 8,500 and thats non vtec

 

technically its not my decision if he puts a ls or a gsr engine in the car. I just would prefer a gsr engine, i had one in a civic i owned and it was great. I am just moving out of the prelude scene, never owned an integra and i just love them.

 

See if you can find a gsr and if it is more expensive than the LS(which it will be) and has the same miles. Tell him you will pay the difference.

 

Yeah, i think thats what i am going to do. He is keeping car threw winter like i said, so it gives me time to sell my lude.

I am new to integras, but what gen or classification is a 98 integra?

thanks guys!

PLease keep posting on stuff i should look for or what not!

 

94-01 is 3rd generation. theres minor differences in the 94-97 and 98-01 front and rear bumpers. but other than that its mostly the same between those years.

just make sure the engine hes putting in isnt crap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_CRX_PLEASE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the GSR has a shorter tranny and the LS is longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Um, no. They're both the same length. I hope you meant to say that the GSR transmission has shorter gearing for faster acceleration.


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Please, PLEASE, kill yourself now. You are a failure.


If you're going to buy it, tell him to drop in a GSR motor and tranny. Its a better deal for you and has more potential out of the box. If you wanna do any internal work done to the motor, you might as well do it as soon as he buys it so that you don't have any down time in the future with the car.

 

Thanks guys, yeah I will be talking to him more about it this week and ask him where he plans on looking for engines.

Also i will try to get him to drop a gsr engine/tranny into the car. As far as internals i might want to put into it, that wouldnt be till later on. But I/H/E are easy enough to do and in my price range for now.

For the engine he puts in, i am going to look at the paper work and look it twice over. Plus before buying make him d compression test and stuff like that.

Does any one live in california that can give me an idea of the process the guy and myself need to take to make sure the car will be legal in the state of california???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chirpin3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lmao wtf go Ls/vtec you'll be spankin **** on the street you have a LS/v-tec and a gsr the ls vtec is takin it ... ooooo peiople say that they hate goin ls becuz it doesnt rev high... big ****** deal my boy got a ls thats redlinin at 8,500 and thats non vtec</TD></TR></TABLE>

how is an ls-vtec taking a gsr? dont think so.

 

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As far as a motor swap or what?

 

Yea as far as an engine swap. i know it needs to go to the BAR California Burreal of Automotive Repair.

But what is it that makes most engine swaps fail? wrong ECU? cuz i mean we are still have the resonator and cats on there, so it will pass emissions, it just seems like a lot of cars dont pass the BAR cuz of engine lights being on.

 

From the CARB Website:

Transmission or Transaxle
Transmissions and transaxles changes alone are not legal. Transmissions and transaxles can only be changed along with their matching engine. The total engine transmission package must conform to the engine change requirements above.

Replacement Engines
Entire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original. If the replacement block or engine is obtained without emissions equipment, all the equipment from the original engine must be installed on the replacement block.
If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change.
Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes").


Japanese Replacement Engines
Used engines imported from Japan can be used as replacement engines as long as the engine being used has been identified as functionally identical to the original engine. Please refer to the engine importers catalogue to determine if a replacement engine is legal for installation in your vehicle.

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

 

"If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine."

So does that mean, if the car was bought in cali, it can only have a usdm cali engine? thats the only confusing part to me, everything else is what i had thought.

So could i import a jdm gsr engine and use a usdm gsr tranny? hm so many questions lol

 

The engines are the same, the only differences are with the emissions controls. And yes, you can import a JDM GSR longblock and use a USDM GSR Transmission.

Technically, as per CARB regulations, you can not use a swap from a 94 GSR but you could from a 01 GSR. But then you would have to convert the car to OBD-IIb

 

all i would need to find is a 98 gsr engine, arnt those OBD-II as well tho? maybe i am wrong, i am new to this sorr

 

Realisticly, they won't check for much unless you get a ******** ref. They mainly just check to make sure the motor and emissions controls are ok.

For example, a B20 from a 98 CRV into a 94 Integra thats been converted to OBD II would be an illegal swap because that motor is from a SUV/Truck.

A B16 swap from a 99 Si into a 94 Civic would have to be converted to OBD-II AND use the ECU from the 99' Si as well.

A swap from a 98 LS into a 95 LS would be legal IF the car was converted to OBD-II. You would not be allowed to convert the motor to OBD-I by swapping over all of the parts.

For the most part, some rules are weird and even if you do break them, a state ref wouldn't even notice it or just overlook it.

 

All you really need is a complete OBD II gsr swap.

 

ok that makes sense, so just use the ob-II harness from the gsr and put that into the 98 ls. ok got it thanks man

 

I have another question, Could I use say a GSR engine from a car below the 98 LS year but just convert to OB-II???

Or maybe there is a sticky that tells all about engine swaps and what you need and dont need ext.

Also recomended places to buy used engines???

thank you

 

Any more help guys? it would be appreciated

 

if he swaps the LS motor then just turbo it and save urself some time and money.

 

So, turbo'ing a stock LS would be ok? What would be the power loss tho... i mean it doesnt seem like just a plain LS would make much power

 

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1. Yes its okay to boost a stock LS...

2. Power loss, I say none...

3. A boosted LS, even with stock internals and a good tune would make good power...