Hey guys, I just read in another thread that the '02 Accord, current CRV, RSX, and S2000 have interchangeable parts because they all have the K series engines.. I saw some people posting that are planning on putting their <U>Type S head on a CRV block</U> and then I saw some people who are planning on putting an <U>S2000 head on their Type S block.</U> I just wanted to know which interchangeable swap would give me greater hp gains and more torque.. thanks a lot guys..

 

are you sure they are all compatible/interchangable like b series?

 

That's what Plan B says.. I hope he's right.. what do you think..?

 

I know the S2K head swaps with the RSX head for sure. AEM tested it.

 

probably the type-s head and crv block, since the crv block is 2.4L

I wouldnt be surprised to see a built combo like this with overbored pistons, high cr and high lift cams hit 275+ wheel hp.

 

Well any of these combos should produce great gains in the hp department. I was looking into doing a rsx-s with a s2ooo head, but im going to talk to the local import performance shop and talk numbers. I might get the s2ooo head, but he is recomending I get the motor built. Hmmm.. Im going to see which path to take. I'll keep you informed about the progress and the cost of each one. Good Luck...

 

Could have swore the S2K was a F20 not K20. Don't forget that you would also need the S2K Ecu since that motor doesn't operate on the iVTEC system.

 

Yeah I know everything I got to do so far. As for the s2ooo (f20) and RSX(k20) motor they are more compatible with each other. B serier with the f series will not work. K20 is more compatible with the f series. As for getting the s2ooo ecu that is one way I can go, or I can just get my ecu reprogramed. I know what I have to do so far, so dont worry about it. Getting the s2ooo head is one path I can take, Im also considering getting the motor built. Well which ever way I go I'll keep everyone posted.

 

i thought the s2000 doesnt have ivtec, and it also uses a timing belt, unlike the rsx's timing chain. can someone explain how this can be done? and if so, how much is a s2000 head?

 

Cost wise I have no idea, but you can bet your *** its going to be expensive. Not many wrecked s2ooo where im from so its going to be some money to get a hold of one. Plus I want a clean one, I dont deal with parts from thieves
Im going to find out all the info about what I can and can not do after work when I go talk to the import performance shop.. I'll keep you guys posted..Good Luck..

 

Thanks f1nal zeros, I'm actually leaning more towards the CRV block with a Type S head.. if you find out anything bout that swap, talk to me.. thanks..

 

I'll look around for info on it. If I find it I will post it for you. Or if my friend at the import shop tells me about it I will post what he tells me. Good Luck bro..

 

get the last issue of honda tunning. they did a big article on the b, k , and f series motors and what is compatible with what.

 

why put the s2k head on the k20 block?
whats the benefit?

port the rsx head (which is in great condition from the factory), throw in a k24 shortblock, strengthen components and take off from there..

 

WERD!!

 

i would have to rethink my opinion and agree with this...a s2k head wont increase c/r , or power, it is designed to rev at 9k , but that wont do much good, get a good p&p rsx-s head with a k24 block, thats were ya power is gonna be...

 

Ok I talked to my friend at the import shop and he wants to go hardcore on my engine. He said to forget the s2ooo head. He wants me to do a custom built turbo with a custom built header.

When I commented on how I was curious about the whole rsx/s2ooo conversion, he told me to forget that, that the rsx came with a good head. He wants to do a small turbo, so it spools faster with a custom header that goes strait to where the cat meats the exhaust, so in other words no cat. He said he would hook my car up and boost it good. But here is the funny part...
When I asked about "how much" his simple reply was..." well when you blow the motor then we will talk price" I was like wtf?? This got me doubting him real fast. He said regardless that if I go turbo he knows the way I drive and he knows if I go turbo the motor wont last.. well he got a good laugh out of this. Then he told me about all that I would need ie. pistons, cams, rings,lower comp, and some other little things to make it last longer. So im going in again this weekend to get my car dynoed and we are going to go from there. Hopefully he will tell me the price,or maybe he wants to sponsor me? Maybe thats why he didnt give me a price.hhmmmm. that be cool. Well I'll keep you guys posted on my car, hopefully I can post my dyno chart this week. I hope its good.. Wish me luck...

 

ummm...you cant have a turbo, and a header....i'd say you shoudl go for the cr-v block , that =s mad torque there...build up the bottom end for turbo....with the rsx-s head....then slap a turbo on that...you may just have the only honda engine with a 50/50 hp/tq

 

"ummm...you cant have a turbo, and a header"

he meant exhaust(turbo) manifold, same ****. stop whining.
-Jawad

 

HUH?
dood. that post made very little sense.
so, your dynoing your car this weekend to talk about price and turbo install options? then why dyno?

also, small turbo, and boost it good? can only boost so much with a 'small' turbo.
im sure 'throwing on a turbo' would be fine, but this engine would see nicer gains with NA work, and youd most likely need an aftermarket engine management system, or a chipped ecu. i cant imagine the funky a/f and vtc curves being good for boost.

 

Ok. Let me try and state this more clearly for you guys..

I want to see what my car is putting to the wheels, im curious from where I am going to start from.

The import shop I am talking to about the turbo has a dyno, so he gave me a good deal on a few runs. So when I go back to get my car dynoed, Im also going to talk about prices and other nick nacks I may need. The owner is a friend of mine. So while his lackies dyno my car, im going to be in the main room talking turbo and other topics for my car.

As for the small turbo,he explained to me that he wanted to do a small turbo so it spools up faster then a larger turbo. And when I said " boost it good" I did not mean I was going to push 2bar. I mean he was going to see how much boost he could do, nothing to extreme to blow the motor but enough to hand people thier ***'s. And when I said turbo and header, yes I know I messed up and meant to say exhaust manifold. to me. sorry about the misunderstanding.

As for NA work, the thing is that the compression is high enough. Not much room to do all motor work. Remember the comp on the RSX-S is 11:1:1.. High compression ratio to start with to do all motor with.

As for ivtec contollers and chipped ecu's I have not heard of any yet. Soon hopefully, but not yet. Maybe I can get a reprogramed ecu done at my friends shop, but I'd have to ask. I'll keep everyone posted on what goes on and the dyno sheets... Good luck...


[Modified by f1nal zeros, 8:31 PM 6/28/2002]

 

THis thread is a pile of mis-information. (not to offend anyone)

the S2000 head will NOT, I repeat....WILL not bolt onto a CRV or RSX block.

I have an S2k head and a RSX head here...they are different. Alot different.

One is K series, the other is F series. That should tell you right there.

TYpe-S head, will go on CRV no problem.

Another thing..

About turbo'ing an RSX...

Its not going to happen from a normal import shop..UNLESS:

They use an aftermarket ecu type, like the blue box greddy is coming out with for RSX...

The reason is that the RSX does not have a return line to the fuel rail....so you CANT RUN AN FMU. Because you can't build the fuel pressure.

Thus..you have to use aftermarket ECU's...BUT, aftermarket ECU's don't run right with the iVTEC, which has several, several timing and fuel tables to control the iVTEC...

The aftermarket ECU's only have 1 table...so your essentially "dumbing" down the RSX motor by doing this.

But you "could" do it.

I could be wrong, I have been wrong before.

But thats what I know from my research on the motor/motors.

Jeff

 

Sounds like there's a simple solution to running an fmu.. just redo the whole fuel system.. Run a new inline/external pump, new fuel rail, external fpr, and add a return line. Actually it shouldn't be too difficult to do, just alot of work. Anyway.. sounds like the new rsx motors are going to be a serious pita to modify... If anyone was to build a (2.4l?) crv/vtec motor it'd have alot of potential, unfortunately it'd be a serious pita to tune due to the lack of a decent standalone...

-Mike


[Modified by SlowTeg, 10:31 PM 6/30/2002]

 

Well the import shop I am talking to is not just a plain, basic light selling import shop. They deal mainly in motor swaps and hybrid swaps. The name of the shop is "Import power house". They know what they are doing, and know motors very well. To doubt thier work around here is wrong. They build fast cars that last long, none of this 3-4 runs then boom crap.

When I talked to them this past week, They told me exactly what they were going to do, and the parts I would need. Trust me they know thier ****. I'm going to talk more with them and see which route my car is going. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of my car.

oh well i'll keep you guys posted...Good luck..

Oh and by the way I missed my dyno runs this week, I had to work..


[Modified by f1nal zeros, 6:58 AM 7/1/2002]

 

I don't believe the 2.4 Type S engine is a viable option. My reasons for thinking that are here - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=216532.

I'd also find out real quick how your shop plans on providing the fuel for a turbo. Unless you plan on throwing in a Haltech or Speedpro or something - and then you've got the aforementioned problems of dealing with the iVTEC features.