pr72 head b20 lower
aftermarket intake and headers
eventually building the engine.
stage 3 port polish valves.
balanced rotating assembly
bore 30 over
sleeves
possibly a stroker kit
dropping to 8 to 1 cr
adding 14-16 lbs of boost

its what i want to do with my 95 del sol.
yall will really think i am crazy in doing this.
but i am building the hell out of this car. im going to cut all the chassis
replace it all with bar frame. and i have a hell of a twist that im throwing in. yall will see it one day on the front cover of Car and Driver magazine one day. im putting it all in the trunk and making it rear wheel drive.

and anyone want to say its impossible. nothing is impossibe.

 

Got a nice list there. If you have the time and money go for it.

Best part about it is that you have the right attitude to achive your goals.

Good luck

 

sorry yall im messing up the treads this is the one i want to keep

 

Indeed.....GL

 

its not impossible, there has already been a rear engine rwd del sol. using an h22 i believe. he molded a front engine bay into the REAR of the del sol, last i heard now hes doing a twin engine AWD. so 2 h22 turbo motors. both 5 speed, running on a trick linkage he hooked up so both motors shift to the same gear at the same time.

pretty sick build. i wish i could remember what thread and site its on.

 

whoops! here it is!

enjoy! and good luck. hopefully this guys build will show you what your in for.

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you're going to put a stroker kit on a car you're dropping the compression for boost, for?

Smart.

PS:
It's impossible, you won't be on the cover of honda tuning, so on and so forth you useless ricer. I don't wanna say you'll miserably fail but I don't wanna give you high hopes, either.

You look like you just read a mag of honda tuning and think you're gonna make a 10 second car outta toys for 2k.

I love it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

not you again

 

dont know who siad that last comment about me being some kid or whatever and doing this for 2k. im a well established mechanic that knows his car that is putting around 15 thousand in this car. when im the only thing stock are going to be the body panels. im making this a show sleeper car.

sorry realized it was syndicate. all i have to say to u is wait and see

 

bump. any one else have ideas

 

To the OP- check out in the hybrid section- theres a few RWD builds, also check out civette

 

id bump the compression up to 8.5 or 9 if it were mine.

 

it sounds like you pretty much have everything in order. all i have to say is tune, tune, and tune again. it took me 4 different tunes to be happy with mine.

 

tune it once.. then dyno tune it about 200 miles after you drive it so you know what u like.

 

sounds like everybody likes my idea right now. im going to run it through the threads one more time. see if anyone else has any ideas. and then im starting to order parts. will keep ppl updated on this project. like i said earlier. it will be slow lots of work to be done to this car. but will give as many updates as possible.

 

i dont get how would the shift linkage workout if its rear engine? sounds like quite some engineering.

 

ok wow, i just looked at the other thread. Good luck with that man

 

Well I hate to be another "*******" in your topic, but the list looks like a bunch of things a kid would list to do when he first starts learning about engines, and Hondas. I'll break it down:

Why the B20 block? Thinner cylinder sleeves aren't good for high revs. I'd stick with the good old B18C1/GS-R entire engine to start with.

If Honda thought the non-VTEC blocks were sufficient enough for VTEC duty then why did they take a few extra years, millions of dollars, and countless R&D hours to reengineer the B18A non-VTEC block to destroke it, add oil squirters, and a girdle to make it the B18C GS-R block we know today? They wouldn't have wasted all of those resources if they could have just used the two year old B18A block and slapped a VTEC head on it. They already had it, tried it, and realized it wasn't a good idea. I know LS and B20 VTECs are all the rage these days, but for the minimal horsepower/torque gains it's not worth the potential reliability cost IMO.

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Check. Only again you're showing your level of knowledge by calling the header headers. It's an inline 4 cylinder engine, thus it only has one header.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">eventually building the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Okay.

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What? You're going to port/polish the valves? You do know that's not possible, right? If you're meaning port and polish the cylinder head, then fine, but the whole "stage three" thing doesn't mean ****. Noobs always get caught up in this whole "stage" stuff and think "wow stage 3 must be awesome! Way better than Stage 1 or 2!!!" when in fact it all depends on WHO DOES THE HEAD WORK.

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Not a bad idea.

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Again you're magazine building here. How are you going to bore a B20 block "30" over when it is already an overbored B18B block from the factory?



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I suppose you "redeemed" yourself with the sleeves, but I'm thinking you might not understand that you'd HAVE to sleeve a B20 block to bore it out. It should have read "resleeve the block and bore to X mm."


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Well good luck with that. Stroking IMO is the worst way to increase the displacement on a high revving engine. Leave the stroke stock and focus on the resleeving and boring to get you that extra displacement. Do you understand the concept of rod/stroke ratio? Basically the longer the stroke of an engine, the harder the pistons press against the cylinder walls/side loads are increased and the reliability drops dramatically.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dropping to 8 to 1 cr
adding 14-16 lbs of boost</TD></TR></TABLE>

That Cr is too lw for the moderate boost you're proposing. As someone else said I'd go 9:1CR or so.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its what i want to do with my 95 del sol.
yall will really think i am crazy in doing this.
but i am building the hell out of this car. im going to cut all the chassis
replace it all with bar frame. and i have a hell of a twist that im throwing in. yall will see it one day on the front cover of Car and Driver magazine one day. im putting it all in the trunk and making it rear wheel drive.

and anyone want to say its impossible. nothing is impossibe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't say it's impossible. It'd be possible, but stupid IMO. You've got a bunch of different engine build ideas that look like you just read some magazines and listed what you think would be the ultimate engine. As you stay in the Honda "scene" and start to learn more I think your list will change dramatcially.

Let me guess - this would be your daily driven warrior, right?

Your proposed set-up would probably last less than a year, and if you went too crazy with the bore size you'd have to resleeve it all over again once you blew the engine the first time.

As far as getting on the cover of a magazine good luck. There have been a handful of mid/rear engine Honda Del Sols over the years, and with crazy K swaps, S2000 swaps, etc. infiltrating the Honda "scene" you'd have to do something extremely outrageous to get a cover, and no offense, but I doubt you've got the fab skills to make that happen. Not only that but if you're building a car to simply impress others not only is that retarded, but magazine covers don't mean what they used to anyways. Kids love magazine cover-getters, so if you want kids to respect you then by all means...

I know you'll think I'm an *******, etc. and that's fine - I honestly am trying to help you here. I'd hate to see you watse a lot of time and money on that build, because a lot of "shops" would take your money and laugh behind your back about it, knowing it was destined to blow up.

My best advice to you is READ WAY MORE THAN YOU POST here and on other reputable sites. Check the forced induction forum. Check the All Motor forum. Both forums have very smart guys who post realsitci, and crazy builds all the time.

Good luck to you, seriously, and maybe once you get immersed more into what works and what doesn't your propsoed build will take on a completely diufferent form.

 

there's a post like this every month.
at least they have the since to mention a honda related mag, not car and driver.

good luck with "cutting all the chassis"

 

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aftermarket intake and headers
eventually building the engine.
stage 3 port polish valves.
balanced rotating assembly
bore 30 over
sleeves
possibly a stroker kit
dropping to 8 to 1 cr
adding 14-16 lbs of boost
</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sc95delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> im a well established mechanic that knows his car that is putting around 15 thousand in this car. when im the only thing stock are going to be the body panels. im making this a show sleeper car.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Obviously you aren't "established" enough if you are coming on this site and asking the vast majority of people in here if there is a "better build".

You haven't listed one specific part on that whatsoever. Have you even thought this out... honestly? 15k into a 95 Del Sol? I know its your money, but it's my opinion and you are a moron.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sc95delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...im making this a show sleeper car</TD></TR></TABLE>

^^ isn't this an oxymoron or just a dumbass statement made by a moron?

 

lolol show/sleeper - what is gonna be "show" about it?? and when you make the car a "show" car, people are going to assume that there can be something fast under the hood. so there goes your "shleeper" car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sc95delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yall will really think i am crazy in doing this.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh yeah.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sc95delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and anyone want to say its impossible. nothing is impossibe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You say this like it's the ultimate Honda build mankind has ever seen.

 

Damn I just realized that in my long-winded post I never answered his question "Is there a better build than this?"

The answer is:

<FONT SIZE="7">YES!!!</FONT>

Build a K, boost a K, Build an H2B, boost it, etc.



Modified by B18C5-EH2 at 6:18 PM 12/6/2007

 

Where's Waldo?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Where's Waldo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the word "owned", comes to mind lol