The thing I'm talking about is here:

http://www.paddockclub.co.kr/s...4.htm

I have one, and getting the keepers off is a snap, it's putting them back on that I'm having a time with.

For years, I've used that C-clamp, and it works. Problem is, it's a pain in the ***. So what I'm wondering is, do any of you use the tool above to install the keepers? It seems you load the keepers into the retainer, then sit it on top of the valve spring. Then you take the black portion, installed into the silver portion, and push it down hard. Pushing down is rough, and whackin it doesn't seem to work well.

Anyone get the knack of this thing, or have any tips?

 

Havent tried that one yet but I'd imagine removal is the easier part.

I use this one:

 

Ball a towel/something soft under the chamber to hold the valves up.

 

Search Ebay for the B-Series valve tool. Its very handy. No links or pic's (at work) its blue and silver, specific to honda b-series heads.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Echo7847 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Havent tried that one yet but I'd imagine removal is the easier part.

I use this one:

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that one works great!! use it all the time!!

 

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If you ask me its a huge PITA for one person to use.

 

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not for me.. its a pretty easy to use tool.... once you know how to use it... and much easier than the hand tool one...

 

I have both and the one that you have works great to get them off. If your using it to put them on you can put a pillow under the head and try that way. If your using the one in the red case then its works the best with head stands. But it is alot easier then using the one that you just push down on or hit with a hammer.

 

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^^^ Thats the tool

RC000E Your welcome to borrow it if you would like.

 

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if im not using a seat and guide machine, i use that tool. I clamp down the head on the edge of the workbench so that when i apply pressure to the lever arm, it just stays put.

 

we have that big red case tool at work. still in the package, yet to use it.
but i have used that magnetic 'grabber' and i love that thing, but i can't vouch for it working on the deep honda vtec heads or not.


Modified by night at 9:15 PM 11/30/2007

 

Hahaha....thanks for the help people, but this isn't what I really asked. I am aware of all those other tools....I mean thanks for showing them as well.

My question is though, I am wondering if anyone INSTALLS with this tool well....the one I am referring to?

 

Ive been searching ebay for that blue an silver b-series valve tool for like an hour... I guess they dont make them any more or at least none are on there at the time

 

oh... hmm. i didn't really catch the last half of yoru post when i read it... .

but i remember having to hit the thing pretty hard. would often only pop 1 in, then have to reposition the 2nd and hit it again. but i only ever did it in the car with air pressure holding the valves, if you aren't doing that then i don't know how you could set it up properly.

i have also used just a pry bar on the intake with one of those slotted oxygen sensor sockets then pushed the keepers down with a finger.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog...=1448

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...57922

 

A tip I would suggest when installing the keepers is to have a roll of duct tape with you. If you are installing on the car with a 'schley' style valve spring compressor
using compressed air it can be tricky to install the keepers.

I dropped one in the motor before figuring out this trick:

grab valvespring/retainer combo
drop in keepers
cut a peice of tape a bit larger than the retainer, wipe retainer dry
put the tape over the retainer while making a air pocket for the valve-head
put your finger over the head of the valve while pressing down
the tape will keep the keepers from jumping off the head of the valve
release the compressor
remove tape - voila
check the keepers with a tool to make sure they are correctly seated

hope this helps

Mike

 

I have both the SP tools kit and the unit you are asking about. I like the SP tool kit for removing the springs and retainers but I like the other tool for installing. The only problem is that the Snap-on tool works great installing if you just use hand pressure, but when you have some knarly springs it is nearly impossible to get them installed by your hand pressure alone.
I think I may have found a solution to the problem though. What Iam going to do is take the SP tools kit and modify it so it will hold the installer portion of the snap-on kit. Basically the installer portion of the snap-on kit will take the place of the installer for the SP kit.
So you get the best of both worlds.
Does that make sense ?

 

The tool you mentioned is better used for removing keepers and kind of sloppy.

It is easier to use a clamp style when installing/removing because of the new springs and double springs are so tuff.

Just use the clamp style and get one of those magnets on a telescoping stick to help get the keepers out and back in.

Have fun, J

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The thing I'm talking about is here:

http://www.paddockclub.co.kr/s...4.htm

I have one, and getting the keepers off is a snap, it's putting them back on that I'm having a time with.

For years, I've used that C-clamp, and it works. Problem is, it's a pain in the ***. So what I'm wondering is, do any of you use the tool above to install the keepers? It seems you load the keepers into the retainer, then sit it on top of the valve spring. Then you take the black portion, installed into the silver portion, and push it down hard. Pushing down is rough, and whackin it doesn't seem to work well.

Anyone get the knack of this thing, or have any tips?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the same problem.

 

Yeah I have one and use it with great sucess however, when you get into the higher seat pressure range, its kind of a PITA!! but for the most part its quick and simple, you start to get tired after you do a few valves though. Also On B-series heads its kind of a tight squeeze on the # 1 or 4 cyl. I dont remember

 

can someone show how you position the keepers on the extension please.

 

sorry, studying for finals right now, but, the shaft part goes into the shiny part, you set up the keepers in the retainer, the spring on the valve and then place the retainer on to it- so it looks like the assembly (spring, retainer, keepers) are on the valve. then the tool just pushes on top of the assemblyand the nipple in the middle keeps the keepers in place. .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PPLH8R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have both the SP tools kit and the unit you are asking about. I like the SP tool kit for removing the springs and retainers but I like the other tool for installing. The only problem is that the Snap-on tool works great installing if you just use hand pressure, but when you have some knarly springs it is nearly impossible to get them installed by your hand pressure alone.
I think I may have found a solution to the problem though. What Iam going to do is take the SP tools kit and modify it so it will hold the installer portion of the snap-on kit. Basically the installer portion of the snap-on kit will take the place of the installer for the SP kit.
So you get the best of both worlds.
Does that make sense ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I suspected that by hand would probably be the way. The Blue Point tool takes these retainers off SO easy with the hammer, but I think the more controlled "by hand" method would be better for install.

Obviously the catch is using higher spring rates on the valve springs.

 

Can that tool in the red box be used to change valve springs with the head still on the car? Assuming you'd have to do the rope trick so that the valves dont drop.