Ok, i was just wondering why this happens...

1. Why does the car take forever to get up to speed? (I noe its not a torquie motor but still, i feel so slow!)

2. When i take apart the Vtec sylonoid, can i do that without dumping the oil? (to see if its clogged cus Vtec just rolls in instead of kickin into it)

so yea, those are my questions so far... THANKS!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, i was just wondering why this happens...

1. Why does the car take forever to get up to speed? (I noe its not a torquie motor but still, i feel so slow!)

2. When i take apart the Vtec sylonoid, can i do that without dumping the oil? (to see if its clogged cus Vtec just rolls in instead of kickin into it)

so yea, those are my questions so far... THANKS! </TD></TR></TABLE>

1. your motor is probably tired....mileage?
2. do you expect vtec to be some mind blowing, yank you back in your seat experience?

 

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1. your motor is probably tired....mileage?
2. do you expect vtec to be some mind blowing, yank you back in your seat experience?</TD></TR></TABLE>

or just maintenance needs to be done...

i thought vtec was supposed to be like a rocket ride?!?!?!

 

Man, GRAF-FITI, ur so annoying.. u talk to much ****

but yea, i dunno...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, GRAF-FITI, ur so annoying.. u talk to much ****

but yea, i dunno...</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly...you DON'T know

that's why you posted this stupid topic

and just so you know, i wasn't talkin anything negative to you until now...no need to get all butthurt

 

do a tune up maybe tha twill help my Vtec did the same pull it of and theres a screen that will fall out replace it and just clean it and that should help it worked for me

 

umm ok, ur cool. GRAF w.e it is

so im guessing its the vtec sylonid thats causing the vtec to just roll in... might have to check for shavings.. can i take it apart just as is or do i need to do somthing else

 

Come on kiddies, be nice

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">umm ok, ur cool. GRAF w.e it is

so im guessing its the vtec sylonid thats causing the vtec to just roll in... might have to check for shavings.. can i take it apart just as is or do i need to do somthing else</TD></TR></TABLE>

sylonid? you must mean solenoid

clean/replace the screen and replace the gasket....

see, i'm so cool i continue to help you despite the fact you got a little sand in your vajayjay...and if you think i was talkin **** when i posted a response to your first post, i'd hate to see how emo you would get if i was really talkin ****

schister66, allow me some leeway here

 

wow.. ur still on that? i thought we dropped it a while back

but thanks for the help.. ill take a look into it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, i was just wondering why this happens...

1. Why does the car take forever to get up to speed? (I noe its not a torquie motor but still, i feel so slow!)

2. When i take apart the Vtec sylonoid, can i do that without dumping the oil? (to see if its clogged cus Vtec just rolls in instead of kickin into it)

so yea, those are my questions so far... THANKS! </TD></TR></TABLE>

what mileage? If your main bearings are worn... u may just have low oil pressure... run thicker oil and see if the vtec kicks harder.... instead of a delayed flutter vtec...

worked for me before...... clean the vtec solenoid too before you change ur oil... run 10w40 this time and see if there is a change...

 

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1. Why does the car take forever to get up to speed? (I noe its not a torquie motor but still, i feel so slow!)
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Your VTEC might not even be engaging. This would cause a noticeable loss in power compared to normal. You will be overrevving your engine, as the primary lobes are meant to be revved to 4500 and then the second lobe is active.

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2. When i take apart the Vtec sylonoid, can i do that without dumping the oil? (to see if its clogged cus Vtec just rolls in instead of kickin into it)
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I just took off my vtec solenoid to check it out, and from what I read on here I used a rag under it because I thought it would dump oil. It dripped one drop when I took it off.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Uncle Ben’s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your VTEC might not even be engaging. This would cause a noticeable loss in power compared to normal. You will be overrevving your engine, as the primary lobes are meant to be revved to 4500 and then the second lobe is active.

I just took off my vtec solenoid to check it out, and from what I read on here I used a rag under it because I thought it would dump oil. It dripped one drop when I took it off. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the advice.. but i didnt understand what you really said ahaha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the advice.. but i didnt understand what you really said ahaha</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which part? The first paragraph mentioned that if your vtec isn't engaging, the higher rpms will feel pretty lifeless, instead of pulling harder until redline. Then I said not to worry about taking the vtec solenoid off, as I have done it on both my b18c1 and d16y8 engines and only one or two drips of oil came out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Uncle Ben’s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Which part? The first paragraph mentioned that if your vtec isn't engaging, the higher rpms will feel pretty lifeless, instead of pulling harder until redline. Then I said not to worry about taking the vtec solenoid off, as I have done it on both my b18c1 and d16y8 engines and only one or two drips of oil came out. </TD></TR></TABLE>

oh i see, thanks a bunch! ill go check it out soon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kantstandlam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, i was just wondering why this happens...

1. Why does the car take forever to get up to speed? (I noe its not a torquie motor but still, i feel so slow!)

2. When i take apart the Vtec sylonoid, can i do that without dumping the oil? (to see if its clogged cus Vtec just rolls in instead of kickin into it)

so yea, those are my questions so far... THANKS! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just so you know, GSR vtec isn't very noticeable. It hits at around 4700RPM. The sound you hear is the butterflies opening at 6k. You barely even know VTEC happens on B18C1s. It's subtle.

You can take apart the solenoid without dumping all your oil. Just let the car sit for a while so the most possible oil leaves the head. Then put a rag where the solenoid comes off.

There's probably nothing wrong with the car. Maybe it just needs a tune up to cure your extreme slowness woes.

BTW, if you didn't allready know, a stock ECU needs the following to operate VTEC:

- Oil press
- Coolant at operating temp
- VTEC hardware, software, and wiring all in working order (duh)
- RPM
- Throttle input
- Speed sensor reading the vehicle is in motion

 

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Just so you know, GSR vtec isn't very noticeable. It hits at around 4700RPM. The sound you hear is the butterflies opening at 6k. You barely even know VTEC happens on B18C1s. It's subtle.

You can take apart the solenoid without dumping all your oil. Just let the car sit for a while so the most possible oil leaves the head. Then put a rag where the solenoid comes off.

There's probably nothing wrong with the car. Maybe it just needs a tune up to cure your extreme slowness woes.

BTW, if you didn't allready know, a stock ECU needs the following to operate VTEC:

- Oil press
- Coolant at operating temp
- VTEC hardware, software, and wiring all in working order (duh)
- RPM
- Throttle input
- Speed sensor reading the vehicle is in motion


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o did not noe that but thanks anyways.

i took apart the solenoid but not that much oil came out (good for me) and then i cleaned it up real good and tighten it back on.. havnt started the car yet but will do tomrrow morning..

 

There is something wrong with your VTEC, it should put you back in the seat when it pops

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSR in progress 96 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is something wrong with your VTEC, it should put you back in the seat when it pops </TD></TR></TABLE>

??? not quite. At 4700RPM, most people dont even know it just "popped"

 

what exactly are the butterflies .. where are they??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94DB8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what exactly are the butterflies .. where are they??</TD></TR></TABLE>

They're inside the intake manifold. The GSR's awkwardly designed VTEC operation meant that you had to have some air passage restriction to have a smooth transition into a power band. Honda fooled people into thinking it was to retain "low end torque". I guess they fooled themselves too, as they used the design for 7 years.

The power band starts at around 6k. The primary air passage is open between idle and 5700ish RPM. The reason for this is that VTEC operates at a low RPM. This might cause a small loss in torque, so they designed the manifold to be somewhat restrictive.

The secondaries open up at 6k. That's the "pop" most people hear. This is also when you notice the car start to pull like it just entered VTEC. A lot of people think VTEC happens at 6k. The secondaries are just butterflies...or small throttle plates on each runner of the manifold. They open up the manifold so that it's a larger volume, shorter manifold. This works well for high RPM use.

All this is probably centered around the GSR's conservative (look in dictionary for "crappy") geared transmission. I'm not a huge B18C1 fan...even though I do own one. I mean I love my GSR as a daily driver...but the motor doesn't sound as cool as my B16 did in my hatch. Nor does it have the same feel. It seems a little on the tame side. It does definitely get the job done, though. The car is quick.

I know they make more power than B16As....but they do so in a somewhat boring fashion.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">??? not quite. At 4700RPM, most people dont even know it just "popped"</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know. It was a non funny joke.

 

ouch forum DRAMA!! !LOL

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSR in progress 96 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know. It was a non funny joke.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought it was funny

 

My brother's gsr powered EK is quite noticable when VTEC is engaged, maybe because he has a skunk 2 intake manifold, thus eliminating the two different intake ports on the stock intake manifold.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're inside the intake manifold. The GSR's awkwardly designed VTEC operation meant that you had to have some air passage restriction to have a smooth transition into a power band. Honda fooled people into thinking it was to retain "low end torque". I guess they fooled themselves too, as they used the design for 7 years.

The power band starts at around 6k. The primary air passage is open between idle and 5700ish RPM. The reason for this is that VTEC operates at a low RPM. This might cause a small loss in torque, so they designed the manifold to be somewhat restrictive.

The secondaries open up at 6k. That's the "pop" most people hear. This is also when you notice the car start to pull like it just entered VTEC. A lot of people think VTEC happens at 6k. The secondaries are just butterflies...or small throttle plates on each runner of the manifold. They open up the manifold so that it's a larger volume, shorter manifold. This works well for high RPM use.

All this is probably centered around the GSR's conservative (look in dictionary for "crappy") geared transmission. I'm not a huge B18C1 fan...even though I do own one. I mean I love my GSR as a daily driver...but the motor doesn't sound as cool as my B16 did in my hatch. Nor does it have the same feel. It seems a little on the tame side. It does definitely get the job done, though. The car is quick.

I know they make more power than B16As....but they do so in a somewhat boring fashion. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What if you have skunk 2 stage 1 cams and stock intake manifold on the B18C1?
Would VTEC engagement be more noticable