ATI
-some said its fabricated in taiwan
-its using bolt, and i'hear a rumor that it often loose

Fluid Damper
-American made
-bla bla bla ....

wich is the best for 95mm cranked B22????
it using pro3 cam, so it would rev very high
and it should need protection for its bearing life...


thanks...

 

dangg... nobody here..

 

i dont think you will have any issues with either of those dampers.

im using a fluidampr on my next build in the spring time. i've seen many setups ranging from small sport compacts and big block chev's using fluidampr's all with no issues.

since they are both roughly the same price i would go with the fluidamper.......but that's just my suggestion.....

 

i use a fluidampr on my motor... did about 10 hpde's with 2 different drivers at each trackday, thats a good 40-50 mins non-stop each session. redline on the motor is 9k, and so far, its held up good. oil pressure is still high.

 

ATI .

 

fluidampr . been on 1year n/a 9000 rpm and 1 1/2 years boosted 8000 rpm still stock b16a2 bottom end 105k miles. bottom end nor balancer rebuilt yet.

 

ATi - there is no comparison

http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/harmonics.htm

 

What about the old Civic Type R N1 Pulley?

 

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No asking about pulleys...asking about dampers - BIG difference

 

i read and respect the claims and testing done for what they're worth.

the OP is not running an SBC or NASCAR engine (on which the ATI was tested).

NASCAR engines (large V8s) have different harmonics then do our I4s and are also typically run at long intervals in a narrow RPM range.

the Laskeys (R.I.P. Earl) are known for running/testing engines that they build for drag-racing (short intervals and wide RPM range). on their site it sounds as though they had a problem with the stock damper on a drag engine running an AL flywheel. consider that the stock damper, while designed more like the ATI unit, isn't designed for use with an AL flywheel, &gt;8500RPM, or a purpose-built drag engine with a considerably higher power output than the stocker.

stock dampers are hardly 'press-to-fit' which greatly diminishes their effectiveness since they, hence, rely on the key and its attendant slot in the crank to hold it into place. (a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.)

i've yet to see reported a good controlled test between these units showing quantifiable data meaningful for our comparison.

Tests&gt;testimonials.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jt-sport &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ATI
-some said its fabricated in taiwan
-its using bolt, and i'hear a rumor that it often loose

Fluid Damper
-American made
-bla bla bla ....

wich is the best for 95mm cranked B22????
it using pro3 cam, so it would rev very high
and it should need protection for its bearing life...


thanks...</TD></TR></TABLE>
ATI is made in Baltimore. Ive been to the warehouse

 

Are both the Fluidampr and ATI press on types?

 

my fluidampr is press on. not sure on the ati but i think it would be the same. just like slofu said, i believe both are very good balancers but neither have recieved conclusive test done on our type of motors. i just prefer fluidampr because i've never heard anything bad, besides people trying to claim ati is better have no test results to prove it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosstboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my fluidampr is press on. not sure on the ati but i think it would be the same. just like slofu said, i believe both are very good balancers but neither have recieved conclusive test done on our type of motors. i just prefer fluidampr because i've never heard anything bad, besides people trying to claim ati is better have no test results to prove it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i think this is a test results
http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/harmonics.htm

guys, btw.. if it related with my engine specs that was stroked 94mm b20 with pro 3 camshat.. what ati part number you guys recomended???
i confuse to read the chart bellow here

http://www.atiperformanceprodu...m#how

 

read my post, look again at that test and consider what it's really worth regarding your setup.

 

Call Rick @ ATI and tell him your HP and RPM numbers and he'll tell you which one to run. BTW, they are definitely not made in Taiwan. Made in Baltimore like Mike said.

 

ATI

 

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http://www.laskeyracing.com/shop/harmonics.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>

but this results tell the different????
http://www.fluidampr.com/TEST_RESULTS.htm

wich is more valid?

 

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in the laskey racing test it said that the ati was tuned.
results are still slightly similar to the fluid dampner test in terms of the ati in the upper rpms.
two test with similar results for the ati
two test with very different results for the fluid dampner.......

 

i use to build ati dampers for them befor i got in to hondas an ati is in md on the outside of baltimore an i dont see how any bolts could come lose at all they all have loc tight all the bolts its a small place but they do make good stuff

 

which is more valid? Hard to say. Here's a chart showing the test on GM's biggest crate motor - the ZZ572:


GM chose to use ATI's damper and supplies it with all the ZZ572 motors.

It'd be nice if there was a test on a Honda motor.

 

ATI

 

fluidampr is not good for cold weather. the fluid has to work itself out and until it does, my camaro shook like crazy. i wont use another one since it gets pretty cold here. i would go ati.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lilryan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fluidampr is not good for cold weather. the fluid has to work itself out and until it does, my camaro shook like crazy. i wont use another one since it gets pretty cold here. i would go ati.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There you go - an un-biased real life experience with the product. Doesn't get much better than this