Just wondering if anyone has seen any gains with E85 and tuning on a B18C5

 

wth is that? next gen bmw?

 

ethanol

 

??

 

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9200 post and you have no idea what it is.

 

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what little I know about E85 I read in an issue of Road and Track a year or so ago. And IIRC E85 actually produces less power than an equal amount of our current blends of Premium. I need to go dig up an article on it and will come back here later.

 

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what little I know about E85 I read in an issue of Road and Track a year or so ago. And IIRC E85 actually produces less power than an equal amount of our current blends of Premium. I need to go dig up an article on it and will come back here later.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe you're correct. Gas mileage, from what I've heard, is lower with E85.

 

you are all correct about MPG but i know for a fact a turbo motor with E85 will increase your power. So i was just wondering if that was the case with NA

 

E85 will make less power than an equal amount of petro, but it is a better gas than that same petro. like methanol, it takes more volume which therefore cools the cylinder. we're going to be testing with it this off season. i really want to utilize it. how cool would it be to have the Farmers unions sponsor me. haha.

 

It burns quicker, but it's cheaper, about 3 times as cheap.

We don't have an E85 station around here yet, but when we do get one, I'll just throw together a turbo D-Series Civic to daily drive, and tune it on E85.

 

on a stock ecu e-85 isnt worth it, but with a tuned ecu and bolt ons the performance gain is well worth it, plus the gas is cheaper, its octane rating is 105 so you can bump the timing up considerably

 

E85 is not 3x cheaper than standard gasoline. It instances, you will find the cost of E85 to very close to that of gasoline.

 

^ Really? I was told by a friend who lives in an area with an E-85 station, that it's about 3 times cheaper than regular gas?

Oh well... Second hand information FTL.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GO-FIGHT-KILL &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ Really? I was told by a friend who lives in an area with an E-85 station, that it's about 3 times cheaper than regular gas?

Oh well... Second hand information FTL.</TD></TR></TABLE>

On the flipside of things, I work for General Motors. I have been trained to tell my customers that the cost of E85 is 5-10% lower in cost, but could be the same as gasoline. I was told why E85 prices are just as costly as gasoline but forgot why? My guess is that its availability and the market. :shrugs:

 

right now its still not in as mass production as gaoline. with more and more plants and supply and demand, the prices will go down.

 

actually with the more demand and supply not being able to keep up(corn production will never be able to keep up with demand even if all the corn production in the US is focused on methanol production), it will keep the price of e-85 around that of 87 octane, but figure it this way

3.20 for 87 octane 30mpg
2.90 for e-85 105 octane 22mpg and 10% increase in power

you will make more power pay less per gallon, but a little bit more overall

if you have a good setup thats high octane go with e-85 and get it tuned

if your stock stick with 93 octane

 

in the US ethanol is corn based, but in brazil, the sugar cane based ethanol is making more power. I believe it also has a higher yield percentage too. if we can establish some alternative biomass sources besides corn, ethanol will decrease in price.

 

93 octane premium is currently 3.27 per gal.
E-85 is running 3.07. So I guess if you have a huge gas tank you can save roughly 4-8 bucks per fillup.

 

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Not to mention the huge amounts of rain forrest that are being demolished in favor of growing huge crops of corn and cane in South america

 

its about twice as expensive over here as regular fuel


it costs me the equivalent of $85 to fill the CRX with petrol, so E85 can finger its own arsehole for all i care

 

the all motor forum or turbo forum has more info on the usefullness for modded motors

but yes gas mileage is slightly less with e85 becaus it has to inject roughly 30% more fuel

yes e85 is cheaper, roughly about 20% give or take

but using e85 is like using 110 octane or whatever the equivelent is in petrol so it does have its significant performance gains

yes manufactoring e85 kills the earth faster than manufactoring regular petrol but it burns ALOT cleaner than petrol, but the goverment is putting $$ and giving big tax cuts to reasearch of manufactoring e85 cleaner that it currently is.

plus it uses us farmers and company's so that can only be good for our country in the long run

wish we had more e85 out here in the northwest


just some on my impressions of e85 from my h-t'ing and my internAt research so forgive me if anything i said isnt 100% dead on accurate but it should be somewhat accurate

 

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Sugar cane will still use huge amounts of land and require time to grow. The best alternative is algae-produced ethanol. Whatever the case, it's a tough call as to whether or not you'd save money because of the decreased fuel economy. You'd also have to deal with the inconvenience of few E85 stations around to gas up with. AND you'd potentially have to make a summer and winter fuel map, as there are different winter and summer ethanol blends. Now, if you would've had to run race gas, THEN you'll be saving (figure 103 octane to be at least $4/gallon, and that'd be cheap).

 

Some of guys out here in New York are already running 85 in their tuned cars... will post more info when i get it.

 

Remember E85 is not good for motors not designed for it because the rubber seals will deteriorate over time.

 

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any honda motor will be fine with e-85, just need an upgraded pump and injectors for the increased flow needed