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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:31 AM
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Alright i just ordered Tein Basic Dampers and wanted to get a Front and Rear camber kit.

But i was reading on the tein site for the pillow mounts and how they can also correct camber. Do i just have to order the front pillow mounts or would i also need a Camber kit for the front?

http://www.tein.com/products/upper_mount.html

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:22 AM
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20 views and nothing so far? Anyone?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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pillowball mount is only for race cars, it sucks for daily.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PARADOX_sf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pillowball mount is only for race cars, it sucks for daily.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for answering my question
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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depends on what type you have and if it available for your car. For instance, i have a DA, for DA's they dont make a pillowball mount that corrects the camber. I had to buy a rear camber kit and front upper a-arms with camber adjustment. I believe for the 94 and up tegs they have the camber adjuster at the pillowball mount not the a-arm. someone correct me if I am wrong. Also dont listen to what the person said that it suxs for dd's because you have to have a pillowball mount with coilovers just some models come with ones that are adjustable and some models like mine dont.

This is from the link you posted:

<U>In vehicles with front strut type suspension, an adjustable camber plate is incorporated into the upper mount. Degrees of adjustment will range depending on application. </U>

You will need a tein pillowball mount to make it work.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SiR-G DC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But i was reading on the tein site for the pillow mounts and how they can also correct camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Only with a MacPherson-strut type suspension, where the alignment is controlled by the strut and lower control arm. These adjustable upper strut mounts are typically called "camber plates."

With a double-wishbone suspension as found on '90-01 Integras (which I'm assuming you have, because you neglected to mention the application), the alignment is determined by the upper and lower control arms. The mounting points of the coilover assembly have no affect whatsoever on wheel alignment.

So, if you haven't figured it out yet, here's the short version: No, it wont work.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Only with a MacPherson-strut type suspension, where the alignment is controlled by the strut and lower control arm. These adjustable upper strut mounts are typically called "camber plates."

With a double-wishbone suspension as found on '90-01 Integras (which I'm assuming you have, because you neglected to mention the application), the alignment is determined by the upper and lower control arms. The mounting points of the coilover assembly have no affect whatsoever on wheel alignment.

So, if you haven't figured it out yet, here's the short version: No, it wont work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the answer
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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What makes pillow mounts suck for DD?
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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Its a spherical bearing replacing your stock rubber bushing in the upper mount.

1. Metal on metal = more nvh
2. Costs more
3. More maintenance
4. Benefits to handling are arguable
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Only with a MacPherson-strut type suspension, where the alignment is controlled by the strut and lower control arm. These adjustable upper strut mounts are typically called "camber plates."

With a double-wishbone suspension as found on '90-01 Integras (which I'm assuming you have, because you neglected to mention the application), the alignment is determined by the upper and lower control arms. The mounting points of the coilover assembly have no affect whatsoever on wheel alignment.

So, if you haven't figured it out yet, here's the short version: No, it wont work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He still needs to buy them. For his car they just wont come with the additional camber adjustment. He will have to get upper control arms to adjust the camber. Without the pillowball mount, how is he going to install the coilover in to the top where it seats it self?
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:44 PM
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by using the stock top hats. There is nothing "pillow" (soft) about using pillow ball mounts, its more like rock solid mounts. You dont need them or want them. Run your stock top hats, with new bushings and you'll be golden.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by japanjay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He still needs to buy them. For his car they just wont come with the additional camber adjustment. He will have to get upper control arms to adjust the camber. Without the pillowball mount, how is he going to install the coilover in to the top where it seats it self? </TD></TR></TABLE>
With the stock upper mount like everyone else does, and like the installation instructions direct you to do . . .

He doesn't "need" to buy them at all. Nobody "needs" a spherical bearing upper mount. It's simply an alternative.
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