http://www.thewrai6th.com/drop...s.xls
Read, discuss, correct.
This is a feature spreadsheet I came up with to help decide on what tuning application to go with. It is unbiased and created from a user's perspective.
Most of it was from research on websites, downloaded applications and input from other forum members. Any comments or corrections are appreciated.

 

uberdata has individua fuel trim

Crome has CEL shiftlight.
Crome does not have a good working gear trim
Crome Gold has TPS scaling
41 & 32 are the almost the same, but with two different answers.
Crome gold does have fan control and programable outputs, some work

LOL at the last line.

 

FMU pwns all.

 

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LOL
File updated. Any more corrections are appreciated.

 

Bump for a very informative thread.

 

what is, VE Correction, Kill Injectors?

and technically program rom obd0 etc etc doesnt even apply to AEM ems because they have a model for each one.

aem ems also has (the important ones im going to name)...

tps fueling
tps ignition
antilag
customizable switch retard
3 avaliable ignition channels (4 total for COP, ETC)
staged injection (5 avaliable ontop of the 4 you already have)
7 avaliable 0-5v inputs
5 avaliable low side drivers (gnd output)
1 avaliabe high side driver (+12v output)
4 avaliable switch inputs

 

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VE correction is map used in open loop I believe, which can be dialed in. Usually I don't touch it.

And kill injectors.... well it kills the injectors. It is nice for checking plugs.

 

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customizable switch retard
staged injection (5 avaliable ontop of the 4 you already have)
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Can you explain these two?

AEM is far beyond the competition when it comes to programable inputs and outputs, but I was just checking for basic functionality (At least two outputs, somewhat programable)

 

Thanks for the Link, this will make choosing an application alot easier.

 

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Can you explain these two?

AEM is far beyond the competition when it comes to programable inputs and outputs, but I was just checking for basic functionality (At least two outputs, somewhat programable)
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switch retard, usually used with clutchless shifting, typical setup is on a strain gage, u can set how long it retards/cuts your ignition to unload the drivetrain so u can shift.

staged injection, when you run multiple/additional sets of injectors. couple examples....running smaller injectors(550cc) for good idle/partial throttles, but running large injectors(1000cc+) in high load/boost. post compressor injection with methonal to cool down your air intake temps. on ITB setups, running second set of injectors above the velocity stacks for better atomization....etc

 

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switch retard, usually used with clutchless shifting, typical setup is on a strain gage, u can set how long it retards/cuts your ignition to unload the drivetrain so u can shift.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Crazy, I never heard or thought of that.
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staged injection, when you run multiple/additional sets of injectors. couple examples....running smaller injectors(550cc) for good idle/partial throttles, but running large injectors(1000cc+) in high load/boost. post compressor injection with methonal to cool down your air intake temps. on ITB setups, running second set of injectors above the velocity stacks for better atomization....etc</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure where the 5th one was coming from.
Do you know which others can run secondary injectors? I can go digging through the apps again, I know that even eManage supports an additional injection map.

 

HONDATA

 

AEM

 

no motec?

 

I hadn't really thought of it. Is that a piggyback, or a replacement ecu like the AEM? I'll look into it further and add it to the list.
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like aem but 10X's better imo from what i hear is about as good as u can get.

 

few other things.

Hondata S200 has realtime update.
Hondata S300 has target a/f tables

You should add internal datalogging. S300, AEM have it.


Modified by Turbogixxer at 1:48 PM 11/8/2007

 

Not all the information in that xls is accurate.

one of the most obvious mistakes:
crome pro does have datalogging capabilitys!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbogixxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">few other things.

Hondata S200 has realtime update.
Hondata S300 has target a/f tables

You should add internal datalogging. S300, AEM have it.


Modified by Turbogixxer at 1:48 PM 11/8/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
Fixed, fixed and added.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Running925 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not all the information in that xls is accurate.

one of the most obvious mistakes:
crome pro does have datalogging capabilitys!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know it is not 100% correct, I need feedback from the people who are tuning with these apps. With some input, it could be 100% accurate.
They market datalogging as a "Dealer" feature, but I see that it is part of Pro. Fixed.

Holy crap, Motec should get it's own section. I have not seen Telemetry built in to any other product. Very advanced. I will work on getting Motec (and it's many features) added to the list.

 

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lol

http://www.motec.com - Not really fair to compare to the others. Might as well throw in all the standalones then...

 

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lol

http://www.motec.com - Not really fair to compare to the others. Might as well throw in all the standalones then...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Tuning options are tuning options. List them up and I will research them as best as I can.
I added some info on MOTEC already.

 

thank u for this info almost sold my s200 and got a neo

 

Adding Haltech E11v2, MegaSquirt DIY, Autronic SM4, HKS F-CON.

 

http://www.efitechnology.com

 

Accel DFI
AEM EMS
Anderson Ford PMS
APEXi
Autocar Electric
Autotronic
BikiRom
CROME
DiabloSport
DTA Competition EMS
Edelbrock
EFI332
EFI Systems, Inc.
EFI Technology
EFILive
Electromotive Engine Controls
Emrald M3D
EvilScribe
F.A.S.T
GEMS, Ltd.
Greddy
HALTECH
Hestec
HKS
Holley
Hondata
HP Tuners
LINK Electrosystems
LifeRacing
LT1 Edit
MBE Systems
Megasquirt
Microtech
MoTec
MR Controls
MSD Ignition
NepTune
Omex Technology
Ontronic EFI
Pantera Specialists
Pectel Control Systems
Perfect Power
Performance Electronics
Racetech Development
Redline Weber
SDS-EFI
Tunercat
TunerPro
TwEECer
VEMS Group
WEBCON UK LTd.
Wolf EMS

And thats a incomplete list... I know some of that stuff does not apply to Honda/Acura but the point remains there are a crapload of standalone's out there...

You should narrow it down more otherwise the spreadsheet will get out of control...

I think you should just narrow the comparison to Piggyback, ECU chipping/reflash. Maybe add additional worksheets for Standalones as they are a completely different animal and have specialized hardware...

Cool comparison though...