anyone with ideas

i'm looking for a list of things that should be done to a type R engine to enable it to take that much boost.

The idea is that someone's got one of these engines, i want to buy it and i'm trying to see what all will need done to this if anything. I was told this was already in a type R and the engine has been built to take that much pressure. It has been romped on for about 6k miles and nothing broke.

Any thoughts on what might be going on with this engine or anything to look for?

Thanks much.

 

you have a lot to learn. and you should start by searching around the Forced Induction forum. 32 psi on a 16G and 32PSI on a 42R are NOT the same thing.

 

a Sload of Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz , or maybe a 2JZ swap.

Someone, pic please of swap????

 

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this one...

 

Start off by reading here and looking at the FAQ: https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16

Your gonna have to fully build your motor. For 600 whp your going to need 1000cc injectors. You could probably get away with a Walboro fuel pump, but you will pushing it to its limits. May want to consider a dual fuel pump setup or one big one such as the eliminator. As for the turbo, you could probably get away with a GT35R but again your going to be pretty close to maxing it out, but its all in the hands of the tuner. If your wanting 600 whp+ your going to need a twin disc clutch. Some people say a single will work but i started slipping at 575 whp. I decided to stick with 500 whp jsut because im too cheap to spend the money on a twin disc (1200$) when ill hardly ever boost for 600 whp unless im on a dyno for show. The combindations are endless, and you should spend a while researching everything etc. I spent months before I purchased a single item.

I hope you got deep pockets, because you will easily clear the $10,000 mark even if you use the cheapest of the cheap part.

 

I didn't want to give off the idea that i didn't look into this at all. I have been doing my research for quite some time now. Not focusing only on this daily, but it has been a part of my routine.

I'm told the engine and everything comes out of a Type R that was ran fine for 6k miles. Thus, it's being sold as a working engine.

I'm am NOT planning in any way to race or use the 600hp of the engine on a regular basis.

The idea behind getting this engine is that i would be getting a fully built motor, that if i paper it, it will last a long time. I'M ONLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST A LONG TIME. Not necessarily something that will go like the wind.

I would consider getting this, because after all it is a Type R engine.

Am i being foolish about this - i mean - if this engine's been messed with (changed all the internals to widthstand that power) will it still have the durability it once had from the factory?

I'm trying to figure out if this is something i would want to get into.

 

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A 600whp B-series is NOT for you then.

 

Couldn't that engine be ran at half its potential or less and still be fine?


I'm looking for reasons ... I want to understand why you think what you think.

The specs on this engine are the specs I was given. This doesn't mean i would have to romp on it to get the 600HP out of the car at all times. Heck, i could never run it to that.

Why would that not work? ... again ... reasons for this.

 

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I'm looking for reasons ... I want to understand why you think what you think.

The specs on this engine are the specs I was given. This doesn't mean i would have to romp on it to get the 600HP out of the car at all times. Heck, i could never run it to that.

Why would that not work? ... again ... reasons for this.</TD></TR></TABLE>

a motors specs for 600whp and for 300whp would be way off

the 600whp motor would have looser specs for piston ring end gap among other things, what this does is let more blow-by through then if you were to gap them closer (which you would at 300whp)

 

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Am i being foolish about this - i mean - if this engine's been messed with (changed all the internals to widthstand that power) will it still have the durability it once had from the factory?

I'm trying to figure out if this is something i would want to get into.</TD></TR></TABLE>

durability, reliability...when talking about a built motor, this is basically dependent on the quality of parts used, the clearances and tolerances used, and care taken during assembly. some motors may last a couple years at that power level even with regular abuse, while other identical motors may last only a few weeks or months. **** happens regardless of if the motor is stock or if its a 20K fully built bulletproof engine.

how much do you want to spend? how much are you willing to lose? how much down time are you worried about? how important is it to have 600whp? do you REALLY need it? have you ever driven a 600whp FWD car? do you realize 600whp on the street is basically useless in a FWD car? are you capable of monitoring and maintaining critical areas and/or putting in the wrench time and MORE money when something breaks (trust me on this, things WILL BREAK)? etc, etc, etc.

As I said before, research it! it doesnt really sound like you know what you are getting into.

 

I realize i'm sort of putting a big elephant in the room and asking people to describe it ... as if certain things weren't obvious enough.

However, what i'm trying to figure out ... is if a fully built motor can last a long time if taken care of. Let's just assume that the work that's been done on it is top quality.

Going along with the idea that i would NOT be driving this to its limits, almost never, can this engine that's been built last a long time? Why would I not be able to drive this fully built type R engine for a long time if i wouldn't be pushing it to cause any constant stress in the engine?


I guess the question is: can the 600WHP, this engine is supposedly equipped for, be toned down to a calm daily driver that will last. If yes why - and if not why not.


I don't want to put in any more wrench time besides installing this and getting it tuned and road worthy.

 

If you want reliability, why not go OEM?

 

OEM as in - factory stock motor/tranny?

I'm not sure i would be able to find one for the price that i would be getting this Type R engine for. The person selling it, would be installing the engine also - and tuning it

I'm still not understanding why whatever beast at 600WHP or whatever, can NOT be successfully driven daily for the regular lifetime of the engine.

Is this because too many things were messed around with for this to have the reliability it once had? If it's been driven for 6-7k miles hard and nothing broke ... is it feasible to think that it will last a long time if I don't stomp on it from now on?

 

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durability, reliability...when talking about a built motor, this is basically dependent on the quality of parts used, the clearances and tolerances used, and care taken during assembly. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. Dosn't matter how built the motor is, once your over the 400 whp your gambling.

 

if you arent going to use the power, whats the point of having such a motor? and I highly doubt you would NOT beat on it. dont kid yourself.

I see no reason why it wouldnt last awhile if it was built correctly and with quality parts. But you never know. You dont know how the bearings are wearing, you dont know how the cylinder walls or rings are holding up, depends on the tune, etc etc.

My motor is capable of well over 600whp and Ive had it over a year and I beat the **** out of it. I have a quality build, quality parts, and a reputable tuner. So I am confident it should last awhile but who really knows. I would be foolish to daily drive the car, even though its already been a year with no problems, regardless of beating on it or not.

 

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I'm still not understanding why whatever beast at 600WHP or whatever, can NOT be successfully driven daily for the regular lifetime of the engine.

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because the engine was not designed by Honda for 600whp. no matter how sophisticated our aftermarket builders are, they are NOT Honda. DO NOT expect it to last 100K, 200K, 300K+ as you would a stock OEM Honda motor.

 

600whp from such a tiny little engine, its under HUGE stress


think how much more work its doing than say, a big block V8 to get the same amount of power...

 

i hear ya and and kind of what i was affraid of.

The idea is that regardless of how well it's built ... as soon as it's been messed around with - its durability is questionable.

So from that stand point, i would be way better off by getting a regular stock OEM type R or even a good GSR that hasn't been changed from the factory.

right?

 

So how much do you plan on spending? What do your funds look like?

 

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Hell, plenty of people on here have finished off a stock C5 in under 100k miles...

Built =/ reliable

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stefanne3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hear ya and and kind of what i was affraid of.

The idea is that regardless of how well it's built ... as soon as it's been messed around with - its durability is questionable.

So from that stand point, i would be way better off by getting a regular stock OEM type R or even a good GSR that hasn't been changed from the factory.

right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I personally would not tear down a perfectly good c5 block just to rebuild for boost. I would find a cheap block ex: I picked up a B18C1 with 200k for $300 with a spun rod bearing. I wouldn't build an ITR for boost though, others would and have successfully. There are so many variables here.

 

I think we can all agree that as long as you do your homework and stick with quality parts you'll be fine. It may seem nice to have all the extra power, but whats the point if your not going to use it. Just wasting money you dont need to. Keep in mind anything over 350 whp is pretty useless. Boost can be a costly learning experience.

 

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i can't agree with you more. The thing about it is that i'll be getting this for less than i would pay for a stock engine. It's a full engine+tranny+turbo swap and the person selling it will be installing it also.

So i'm either looking at replacing the tranny for about 1k or so ... or replacing the engine with the built c5, and selling my engine to counter some of the costs ... and hopefully make the type R package last.

right?

 

Do you know the details of it?

 

Another thing to add about 600 whp is that your right in the middle.

When I say middle because 550-600whp is where people bump up to bigger injectors, turbos, fuel pumps, strong clutches etc. So if you could bump it down to say 500 whp you'll be saving alot of money. Thats exactly what I did.