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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:22 AM
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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Stretching your tires to fit your improper offset wheels is the thing to do. Didn't ya know?
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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he lost a good amount of the shoulder on that tire from rubbing.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hayabusa160 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he lost a good amount of the shoulder on that tire from rubbing.
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Is all that from rubbing or did he take a power sander to it or something?


You think at very least he would roll his fenders.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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im pretty sure its from rubbing because my friends car dose the same exact thing in the front.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Is all that from rubbing or did he take a power sander to it or something?


You think at very least he would roll his fenders.</TD></TR></TABLE>

its my car, they are rolled, no i didnt sand them.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

its my car, they are rolled, no i didnt sand them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it might be time for a better wheel/tire combo for you.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 07:04 PM
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its the tires, ive got 215/40 512s to alleviate the issue
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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care to share with me the specs of your rim/tire combo before changing to the new 215/40?
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:02 AM
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16x9 et~20 after adapter

215/40 kumho ecsta
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 07:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think it might be time for a better wheel/tire combo for you.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 08:57 AM
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it'll be fine w/o the kumhos
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it'll be fine w/o the kumhos</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bare wheels, no tires?
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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w/ the falken 512s
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 11:31 AM
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Yeah because 215/40 is going to be so much better than the 215/40 you're running now.

It's obvious the wheels don't even fit inside the fender, you need different wheels period.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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its a falken 512, its more like a 215/35
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">16x9 et~20 after adapter

215/40 kumho ecsta</TD></TR></TABLE>

k great. and what kind of car is this on ? and was that negative 20 or ?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Don Henley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah because 215/40 is going to be so much better than the 215/40 you're running now.
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what he is trying to say is that the falken 512 stretches better over the 9j than the kumho ecsta in same size .

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its a falken 512, its more like a 215/35 </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 02:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Opossum Jenkins &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what he is trying to say is that the falken 512 stretches better over the 9j than the kumho ecsta in same size .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Range of rim widths approved by Falken for their Ziex ZE-512 in size 215/40-16: 7.0-8.5 inches.

Range of rim widths approved by Kumho for their Ecsta Supra 712 in size 215/40-16: 7.0-8.5 inches.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 02:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Range of rim widths approved by Falken for their Ziex ZE-512 in size 215/40-16: 7.0-8.5 inches.

Range of rim widths approved by Kumho for their Ecsta Supra 712 in size 215/40-16: 7.0-8.5 inches.
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&lt;----me caring. 215 on a 9 isn't unreasonable.

on a gti
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 02:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">&lt;----me caring. 215 on a 9 isn't unreasonable.

on a gti</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hope that was supposed to be a joke.

I don't understand why would you want to do something that the tire manufacturer is telling you is unsafe. Tire manufacturers specify a range of approved rim widths because they've tried out those widths themselves, measured stresses, measured temperature buildup, and seen which ones create the risk of problems, and which ones don't. That doesn't mean you have to follow their advice; you can do whatever you want, it's your car. And it might work out okay; a risk doesn't mean things are guaranteed to go wrong, only that the possibility exists. The chances of something going wrong might be 10 percent or 1 percent or less. But if they found risks with some widths, do you really want to have to live with that possibility, if you can avoid them simply by keeping within the recommended range of widths? That's the question to ask yourself.

I really don't care what other people do. I'll continue to provide the best advice I can, based on personal experience as well as what I hear and read from experts, whether it's about rim widths, or timing belt change intervals, or choice of brake pads, or anything else you can do to take care of your car. Then it's up to you to evaluate the most complete, best information you can get (from every source, not just me), including costs, risks, and benefits, and do whatever you decide to do as a result.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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215 on a 9 isn't unreasonable at all, .5" over recommended isn't a big deal. It won't even be stretched to any serious degree.

and to those that say it just needs new wheels, the fenders will be pulled around them.

and this wasnt posted in here orignally, it got moved here
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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I hope you plan on pulling those fenders about an inch because that's how much it looks like it needs to cover up that lip...
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:49 AM
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i just dont understand why you would want a 9 inch wide wheel just to stretch a smaller tire on it
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Danza &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">215 on a 9 isn't unreasonable at all, .5" over recommended isn't a big deal.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, it is. When you mount tires on wheels wider than approved by the tire manufacturer, it can be unsafe. The tire manufacturers have engineers who test tires all day long, and they determine which widths are safe and which ones aren't. The problem with a width outside the approved range is that it creates additional stress on the sidewall, often with higher temperatures. That's why there is a range that is approved, and anything outside that range is - to echo the words you used when you created this topic - just unsafe.

If you want to mount your tires on your wheels in an unsafe manner, be my guest. But please don't claim something is not a big deal when the tire engineers who designed the tires have determined that there is a risk in doing so.
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