Engine swap question regarding costs.
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Engine swap question regarding costs.
I have a 1989 CRX HF and i want to install a B16a 1st gen and i don't have friends who do this kind of stuff. So i have no hook up and must do it legit.
Question is, if i bought a motor myself from a reputable dealer and also bought the engine mounts and took that stuff to a professional to do a good and clean install, how much money am i looking at total for complete parts and labor?
I know this is like such a newbie question but hey, we all have to learn sometime right?
And also, i noticed on hondamotorsonline.com that the 1st gen and 2nd gen B16s are considerably different in price. Why is that? I mean the 2nd gen only makes 10 more HP and has a slightly higher compression ratio. What gives?
Question is, if i bought a motor myself from a reputable dealer and also bought the engine mounts and took that stuff to a professional to do a good and clean install, how much money am i looking at total for complete parts and labor?
I know this is like such a newbie question but hey, we all have to learn sometime right?
And also, i noticed on hondamotorsonline.com that the 1st gen and 2nd gen B16s are considerably different in price. Why is that? I mean the 2nd gen only makes 10 more HP and has a slightly higher compression ratio. What gives?
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Re: Engine swap question regarding costs. (SIred91)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIred91 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Plan on spending around the ballpark of 5,000.00.</TD></TR></TABLE>
DAMMMM!
I was looking around CRXs for sale in So Cal and there are a bunch of them with B16's going for around $3000. I mean what's up with that? Is it because these guys raced the heck out of it and want to get rid of it?
DAMMMM!
I was looking around CRXs for sale in So Cal and there are a bunch of them with B16's going for around $3000. I mean what's up with that? Is it because these guys raced the heck out of it and want to get rid of it?
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Re: Engine swap question regarding costs. (klion22)
b16 swap from HMO is around 1300.
http://hmotorsonline.com/shop/...30001
Then you need mounts. The only one's I trust are Hasports. You'll need the EFB1 mounts. Check http://www.hasport.com. Innovative is also another company that makes mounts...not sure how much they go for. You could always go the cheaper route and get ebay mounts, but sometimes they don't line up properly.
You'll need a new shift linkage. You can modify a DA, or buy a pre-modified version. Hasport's goes for like 150 I think? But HMO sells it for 110, also they have a discount on the EFB1 mounts.
Then axles, brand new go for about $200-300.
Then misc. swap parts, i.e hoses and belts and such.
Do some research, use the search feature. I'm not sure how much labor would be, probably varies from place to place. Call reputable shops and get a quote. There's a list of service shop's for your local area in the FAQ I think. But in all reality, if you have the patience and determination, doing a motor swap is not that difficult. My dad and I are in the process of finishing a GSR swap, and are mechanical skill doesn't go too much farther than changing oil. Get a helm's manual, and use H-T as a resource when you get stuck. I highly recommend doing the swap yourself. Not only do you save money, but you learn ALOT during the process.
http://www.droppedcrxsi.com
^Check that website out. He has a write-up when he did his b16 swap...and I'm pretty sure he had a parts/cost list.
Good luck!
http://hmotorsonline.com/shop/...30001
Then you need mounts. The only one's I trust are Hasports. You'll need the EFB1 mounts. Check http://www.hasport.com. Innovative is also another company that makes mounts...not sure how much they go for. You could always go the cheaper route and get ebay mounts, but sometimes they don't line up properly.
You'll need a new shift linkage. You can modify a DA, or buy a pre-modified version. Hasport's goes for like 150 I think? But HMO sells it for 110, also they have a discount on the EFB1 mounts.
Then axles, brand new go for about $200-300.
Then misc. swap parts, i.e hoses and belts and such.
Do some research, use the search feature. I'm not sure how much labor would be, probably varies from place to place. Call reputable shops and get a quote. There's a list of service shop's for your local area in the FAQ I think. But in all reality, if you have the patience and determination, doing a motor swap is not that difficult. My dad and I are in the process of finishing a GSR swap, and are mechanical skill doesn't go too much farther than changing oil. Get a helm's manual, and use H-T as a resource when you get stuck. I highly recommend doing the swap yourself. Not only do you save money, but you learn ALOT during the process.
http://www.droppedcrxsi.com
^Check that website out. He has a write-up when he did his b16 swap...and I'm pretty sure he had a parts/cost list.
Good luck!
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"Kindof wrong! B16A2's are found only in 99-00 Civic Si USDM. They are rated at 160hp, they have one type of tranny, hydro, non-lsd. if i remember correctly a 4.40 F/D ratio. B16a1's are found in JDM Integra's, They come stock with a s1 tranny, non-lsd(not an option), super short gearing. The a1 is obd-0, while the a2 is obd-2b.
The a2 has a better intake manifold and throttle body is slightly larger. While the a1 has a **** loads of vaccum lines, 2 dashpots for idle controls and fuel economy. They both have a 4-2-1 header. The a1 has 2 oxygen sensors, while the a2 has 1 single 4 wire(?) oxygen sensor. The a1 has a seperate throttle body and fast idle valve, while the a2 has a fast idle valve attached to the throttle body. a1 and a2 have different crank pulleys. a1 has a 1 wire knock sensor, a2 has a 2 wire knock sensor. The a2 has a crank sensor in the oil pump, the a1 doesnt.
Thats about all i can think of. More externally!
Maybe you meant more along the lines of what is the difference between a JDM b16a Gen1 and a Gen2??" - travagliante from Automotiveforums.com
These are basically the only differences. I would assume they are more expensive because they are overall a newer designed engine. As for selling post-swapped cars for around 3 grad that's about the going cost. Yeah, it's a b16 swapped crx, but the chassis is still around 16-18 years old. The motor's probably been beat around a little bit too. As far as what you want to do...it's your car/your money. If you buy it post-swapped..you're most likely buying someone elses problem. I say do the swap yourself so you know what you have.
The a2 has a better intake manifold and throttle body is slightly larger. While the a1 has a **** loads of vaccum lines, 2 dashpots for idle controls and fuel economy. They both have a 4-2-1 header. The a1 has 2 oxygen sensors, while the a2 has 1 single 4 wire(?) oxygen sensor. The a1 has a seperate throttle body and fast idle valve, while the a2 has a fast idle valve attached to the throttle body. a1 and a2 have different crank pulleys. a1 has a 1 wire knock sensor, a2 has a 2 wire knock sensor. The a2 has a crank sensor in the oil pump, the a1 doesnt.
Thats about all i can think of. More externally!
Maybe you meant more along the lines of what is the difference between a JDM b16a Gen1 and a Gen2??" - travagliante from Automotiveforums.com
These are basically the only differences. I would assume they are more expensive because they are overall a newer designed engine. As for selling post-swapped cars for around 3 grad that's about the going cost. Yeah, it's a b16 swapped crx, but the chassis is still around 16-18 years old. The motor's probably been beat around a little bit too. As far as what you want to do...it's your car/your money. If you buy it post-swapped..you're most likely buying someone elses problem. I say do the swap yourself so you know what you have.
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Re: Engine swap question regarding costs. (klion22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klion22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
DAMMMM!
I was looking around CRXs for sale in So Cal and there are a bunch of them with B16's going for around $3000. I mean what's up with that? Is it because these guys raced the heck out of it and want to get rid of it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's one downside to modified car's. When you sell them, you'll lose money. It's almost impossible to get the all the money back that you put into the car when you sell it. Unless you have a k20, I've seen KRX's go for close to 12,000, which is an estimate on how much the swap actually costs. There was one going for sale in the marketplace...not sure if it's still available.
DAMMMM!
I was looking around CRXs for sale in So Cal and there are a bunch of them with B16's going for around $3000. I mean what's up with that? Is it because these guys raced the heck out of it and want to get rid of it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's one downside to modified car's. When you sell them, you'll lose money. It's almost impossible to get the all the money back that you put into the car when you sell it. Unless you have a k20, I've seen KRX's go for close to 12,000, which is an estimate on how much the swap actually costs. There was one going for sale in the marketplace...not sure if it's still available.
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Re: Engine swap question regarding costs. (gursh d)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gursh d »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b16 swap from HMO is around 1300.
http://hmotorsonline.com/shop/...30001
Then you need mounts. The only one's I trust are Hasports. You'll need the EFB1 mounts. Check http://www.hasport.com. Innovative is also another company that makes mounts...not sure how much they go for. You could always go the cheaper route and get ebay mounts, but sometimes they don't line up properly.
You'll need a new shift linkage. You can modify a DA, or buy a pre-modified version. Hasport's goes for like 150 I think? But HMO sells it for 110, also they have a discount on the EFB1 mounts.
Then axles, brand new go for about $200-300.
Then misc. swap parts, i.e hoses and belts and such.
Do some research, use the search feature. I'm not sure how much labor would be, probably varies from place to place. Call reputable shops and get a quote. There's a list of service shop's for your local area in the FAQ I think. But in all reality, if you have the patience and determination, doing a motor swap is not that difficult. My dad and I are in the process of finishing a GSR swap, and are mechanical skill doesn't go too much farther than changing oil. Get a helm's manual, and use H-T as a resource when you get stuck. I highly recommend doing the swap yourself. Not only do you save money, but you learn ALOT during the process.
http://www.droppedcrxsi.com
^Check that website out. He has a write-up when he did his b16 swap...and I'm pretty sure he had a parts/cost list.
Good luck!</TD></TR></TABLE>
From reading your post and checking out that website, it does appear that there is a right way to do it and half *** way to do it. I mean when you put in an engine, the right way to do it is the replace some of those old parts with new ones right?
And if i take it to some shop, they aren't going to care about the little things and just try to get it over with right?
So would you say it will cost arounf $5000 for parts/labor total?
http://hmotorsonline.com/shop/...30001
Then you need mounts. The only one's I trust are Hasports. You'll need the EFB1 mounts. Check http://www.hasport.com. Innovative is also another company that makes mounts...not sure how much they go for. You could always go the cheaper route and get ebay mounts, but sometimes they don't line up properly.
You'll need a new shift linkage. You can modify a DA, or buy a pre-modified version. Hasport's goes for like 150 I think? But HMO sells it for 110, also they have a discount on the EFB1 mounts.
Then axles, brand new go for about $200-300.
Then misc. swap parts, i.e hoses and belts and such.
Do some research, use the search feature. I'm not sure how much labor would be, probably varies from place to place. Call reputable shops and get a quote. There's a list of service shop's for your local area in the FAQ I think. But in all reality, if you have the patience and determination, doing a motor swap is not that difficult. My dad and I are in the process of finishing a GSR swap, and are mechanical skill doesn't go too much farther than changing oil. Get a helm's manual, and use H-T as a resource when you get stuck. I highly recommend doing the swap yourself. Not only do you save money, but you learn ALOT during the process.
http://www.droppedcrxsi.com
^Check that website out. He has a write-up when he did his b16 swap...and I'm pretty sure he had a parts/cost list.
Good luck!</TD></TR></TABLE>
From reading your post and checking out that website, it does appear that there is a right way to do it and half *** way to do it. I mean when you put in an engine, the right way to do it is the replace some of those old parts with new ones right?
And if i take it to some shop, they aren't going to care about the little things and just try to get it over with right?
So would you say it will cost arounf $5000 for parts/labor total?
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if you stay obdo and get the first gen it would cost about 2000 give or take just for labor thats a little on the high side at 80 ph for labor thats 25 hours so maybe less call around
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SFlCrx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you stay obdo and get the first gen it would cost about 2000 give or take just for labor thats a little on the high side at 80 ph for labor thats 25 hours so maybe less call around</TD></TR></TABLE>
$2000 for labor alone?
$2000 for labor alone?
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Re: (klion22)
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$2000 for labor alone?</TD></TR></TABLE>
id say $400-700 labor.
$2000 for labor alone?</TD></TR></TABLE>
id say $400-700 labor.
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id say $400-700 labor. </TD></TR></TABLE>
OK, so again, let me ask the question again.
I ask a professional to do everything and i want it done right. That means i want all the hoses and everything else that should be replaced to be replaced while the engine is out.
What am i looking at here for total parts/labor?
Is $5000 about right?
id say $400-700 labor. </TD></TR></TABLE>
OK, so again, let me ask the question again.
I ask a professional to do everything and i want it done right. That means i want all the hoses and everything else that should be replaced to be replaced while the engine is out.
What am i looking at here for total parts/labor?
Is $5000 about right?
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Re: (klion22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klion22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
OK, so again, let me ask the question again.
I ask a professional to do everything and i want it done right. That means i want all the hoses and everything else that should be replaced to be replaced while the engine is out.
What am i looking at here for total parts/labor?
Is $5000 about right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'd say $5000 sounds right fora B16 using all brand new OEM honda parts, properly installed.
spend a little more and put a faster motor in there.
OK, so again, let me ask the question again.
I ask a professional to do everything and i want it done right. That means i want all the hoses and everything else that should be replaced to be replaced while the engine is out.
What am i looking at here for total parts/labor?
Is $5000 about right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'd say $5000 sounds right fora B16 using all brand new OEM honda parts, properly installed.
spend a little more and put a faster motor in there.
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Re: Engine swap question regarding costs. (klion22)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klion22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From reading your post and checking out that website, it does appear that there is a right way to do it and half *** way to do it. I mean when you put in an engine, the right way to do it is the replace some of those old parts with new ones right?
And if i take it to some shop, they aren't going to care about the little things and just try to get it over with right?
So would you say it will cost arounf $5000 for parts/labor total?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You definately want to take some preventative maintenance and replace hoses/belts. Water pump and oil pump is a good idea too. I'd get factory OEM parts...there are online honda parts dealers.
If you do decide to take it to a shop, bring all your parts with you including belts/hoses. You don't want to half-*** your build...it will lead to problems down the road. If your fixed on having a shop do it, I would do alot of research to find a reputable shop.
I think $2000 for labor is streching it. Streetwerkz has a better estimate on labor, but then again, labor varies from shop to shop. Make some calls and see what's up. But like I said before, save yourself some money, try doing the swap yourself. Believe me, you get a great feeling of accomplishment when you drive something that you built. Again, IMO swapping motors, especially a first gen b16, is not all that difficult, just have to do your homework.
My estimate for labor and parts: $4000.
From reading your post and checking out that website, it does appear that there is a right way to do it and half *** way to do it. I mean when you put in an engine, the right way to do it is the replace some of those old parts with new ones right?
And if i take it to some shop, they aren't going to care about the little things and just try to get it over with right?
So would you say it will cost arounf $5000 for parts/labor total?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You definately want to take some preventative maintenance and replace hoses/belts. Water pump and oil pump is a good idea too. I'd get factory OEM parts...there are online honda parts dealers.
If you do decide to take it to a shop, bring all your parts with you including belts/hoses. You don't want to half-*** your build...it will lead to problems down the road. If your fixed on having a shop do it, I would do alot of research to find a reputable shop.
I think $2000 for labor is streching it. Streetwerkz has a better estimate on labor, but then again, labor varies from shop to shop. Make some calls and see what's up. But like I said before, save yourself some money, try doing the swap yourself. Believe me, you get a great feeling of accomplishment when you drive something that you built. Again, IMO swapping motors, especially a first gen b16, is not all that difficult, just have to do your homework.
My estimate for labor and parts: $4000.
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