so my car came with coilovers when i bought it. and i was thinking about lowering it a tad bit more. ive heard that everytime you mess with the height a alignment is needed. do i need a camber kit in order for them to align or are they just doing toe?

does the ride height affect toe?

also what is the best way to get all 4 sides even?

Thanks

 

just do it..

make sure the drop is even...thats all i know

dont really need a camber kit.

but to save yourself the money, get the camber kit.
dont be

 

start on the back, before the front

to make it even just count the lines.
then work on ur front to even the drop.

to make it good its more of trial and error
lol

no one gets there car even in ONE try

 

ok so first you tell me i dont need a camber kit and then you say get camber kit by saving yourself money. how is that saving me money? lol

you mean count the threads on the coilovers?

 

get a camber kit or your going to go through tires,they will wear unevenly from the inside.yes they mean count the theads on the coil sleeves,but i always use a measuring tape to make sure they are all dead on. / \

 

wouldnt camber help tire tuck and improve cornering? like non excesssive


Modified by shadohconspiracy at 12:10 AM 10/29/2007

 

from what I've read it's a trade off i think.

camber = better handling faster tire wear
correct camber = normal tire wear.

I'm sure there's more to it than that but I think that the gist.

 

yes more camber does help handling a little. but for a daily driver why put tires on the car every three months because of negative 7 camber just to see how fast you can go around walmart parking lot.

 

pics of car would help, also the setup your on currently. The civics tend to have more camber in the back for some reason, i would suggest some blox rear lca's and a rear camber kit, also a camber kit in the front would help. If that doesnt help, you should most likely post this in the suspension forum.

 

well when i bought the car it already came with some random coilovers and the camber is not really that bad. even tho the front seems to be wearing the tires faster. what does blox LCAs do?

also, what camber kit is the best to go with?

 

lower it more, get some camber kits, and get it aligned

i got blox front camber kits and put washers in the back. but im also running apex n1 full coilovers. i been on the same set of tires for 2 yrs. and my camber is -1.4 in the rear and -2.1 in the front

hers a pic of my DD dumped

 

Lowering car = ******* the toe up, and adding more negative camber

Toe kills tires faster than negative camber, but bad toe + negative camber REALLY fuucks tires

Bottom line?

Get the car at the height you want, make sure it's even/level, and THEN take it to a competant shop to have a 4-wheel alignment done. Ideally the shop should know the technique called "shimming" to correct any negative rear camber to get the number at about -1 to -1.5 degrees in the rear.

There's no quick/cheap fix to get front camber to come out, so see how bad the numbers are, and if they exceed -2 degrees up front then it's time to buy a camber kit, install it, and then pay to have the car realigned AGAIN because changes in camber REALLY throw toe out of whack.

I've aligned 100's of lowered Hondas and Acuras. I've seen up to -2 degrees of front camber still not kill insides of tires as long as the toe was dead center spec at 0 degrees.

You NEVER want 0 camber, or positive camber - the car will handle like total ****.

 

thanks for the info people

 

oh btw what is the best thing to do if i don't have the spanner wrench or w/e for the coilovers?

 

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lol the guy asking the questions has the right idea in the first place.

Yes camber will help your cornering stability if it's done in good amounts. How much is your car dropped? You usually DONT need a camber kit.

Yes, toe will change with any geometry, other angle, or height change.

Toe is what wears tires. Camber FACILITATES IT.

If toe is a hungry alligator, camber is the rope that's holding the pot roast above the surface of the water.

lol that probably made no sense.


When you lower the car, toe changes drastically. So does camber. Camber by itself is pretty harmless unless its EXCESSIVE (like 4 degrees or more) or you're doing burn outs all the time....or if you're just driving constantly in a straight line.

Usually, people lower their cars to corner better. If you do corner hard, negative camber will help your tires wear MORE evenly.

Anyway, since toe changes, and it is the major wearing angle, you now have camber putting just one tread edge on the road. Toe will chew that up FAST since now it's only wearing one edge instead of wearing the whole tire. Now do you get the alligator reference?

If you changed camber by even 3 degrees, you would see a little uneven wear.

If you changed toe .25'' or even a bit more, even with absolutely 0 camber, you would wear out tires VERY fast.

Toe will eat your tires. Camber will let it do so.

If you fix toe, uneven wear from camber isnt too bad....sometimes it's not even present.


Here's my old civic :sigh: I miss this car....






No camber kit. Totally even tire wear. I just fixed the toe. However, I did road race it...etc. I'm sure the camber and the lowering was excessive. But it was still fast around a track.

 

B18C5-EH2 and B Serious are completely correct. My car is aligned with only toe correction no camber adjustment whatsoever at i believe 2-2.5 degrees negative up front and i don't have ANY uneven tire wear.

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I do, it's called not rushing a job and doing it right the first time....mistakes happen but there is no excuse for sloppiness.

 

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I do, it's called not rushing a job and doing it right the first time....mistakes happen but there is no excuse for sloppiness.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup i took a ruler and meassuered everything out and did it right the first time.

anyways i got -2.x degrees and i am on my 2nd year of the same tires no rotation and they still look nice and deep treads evenly.

 

alright so i finally lowered it today, like 1/2" front , and 1/4" rear more. and now i am tuckin a little. what i notice is that my ride is a bit bouncier. What can cause this?

i also want to know if i have unveven camber , will it pull to one side after i get an alignment done?

also do most of you guys "slammed" experience scrapping exhaust when going over speed bumps? cause i have hella speed bumps at school and i went to test one out today and it was scrapping my exhaust a little.

any solutions? thanks

 

Maybe you got a blown strut now? Just a thought.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shadohconspiracy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also do most of you guys "slammed" experience scrapping exhaust when going over speed bumps? cause i have hella speed bumps at school and i went to test one out today and it was scrapping my exhaust a little.

any solutions? thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>

......???

yes. the lower your car is, the more likely for bumps to scrape things. That's very simple cause and effect.

is this a joke?

 

well yeah i know LOL, but i just wanna see if people just live with it or have any solutions to it.

 

try having mudguards at that height

 

i do have mud guards, and it was rubbin like crazy over those speed bumps before i lowered it more. i just have them off for now , i am probably going to cut it up and put it back on tomorrow.

 

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Do you have any friends with coilovers? You could probably borrow their wrenches.

 

oh i just unscrewed an the allen bolt and turned it by hand.