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Modified by az90civic at 5:23 PM 10/28/2007

 

I think the state of Hondas, Honda Tech and tuning Hondas is at an all time low and will keep sinking.

 

you are going to ruin your synrcos bad idea.. clutch is much cheaper to replace over tranny.
(well not really depending if you do it your self and get a good deal on a used tranny....)
haha

 

How about you be the guinea pig to find it out. NEVER use your clutch again. Let us know how it turns out

 

yes have fun grinding your tranny up. maybe you can figure out a new better way to shift,or ditch the clutch already, howbout you get an auto already.

I've even heard of 4x4 folks with supposed shift on the fly trannys, that just ruined them trying to do so.

but hell it will be funny as hell when you come back asking "whats wrong with my tranny?"

 

Im pretty sure Honda put the 'clutch' mechanism in there for a reason.

 

I'm really surprised that no one has heard of this.

Shifting without your clutch actually does not use your syncromesh at all. It PRESERVES your synchromesh life.

Pretty easy to do at insane low rpms. Pull your gearshift into neutral, than shift into your next gear. If you grind, you didn't match the revs for the next year. I do it on my mom's accord all the time Easiest to do around 2000-3000 rpms.

If you're not sure, look it up on youtube. Some guy has a video on there of How-to on an RSX.

---richard

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by office888 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm really surprised that no one has heard of this.

Shifting without your clutch actually does not use your syncromesh at all. It PRESERVES your synchromesh life.

Pretty easy to do at insane low rpms. Pull your gearshift into neutral, than shift into your next gear. If you grind, you didn't match the revs for the next year. I do it on my mom's accord all the time Easiest to do around 2000-3000 rpms.

If you're not sure, look it up on youtube. Some guy has a video on there of How-to on an RSX.

---richard</TD></TR></TABLE> Ah youtube and wikipedia, because if it's on the internet it's GOTTA be true.

I dare you master of all things gear realated explain why even have a clutch then?

You are driving a stock Honda tranny not a dog box, or a manuel vavle body turbo 400.

Use your clutch, it's there for a reason.

 

i agree use the clutch but a while ago i had a hatch with a garbage tranny made so many noises sounded horible and i never used the clutch in that car just for ***** and giggles and the tranny never failed even with me trying to break it. besides its kinda fun like autostick.

 

I've shifted out of gear without a clutch, but never in gear.

 

office 888 is right, this is entirely possible, but, you have to do it right or else you will in fact ruin your tranny. its all about matching your revs, i use to practice it all the time. i know how to shift up and down w/ out the clutch, its not like i do it all the time though. if you are good enough at rev matching and know when to move the shifter you can shift all the way up and then back down the gears when stopping. i have never tried shifting into first and taking off w/out the clutch and would suggest that NOBODY try it as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gRim06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">office 888 is right, this is entirely possible, but, you have to do it right or else you will in fact ruin your tranny. its all about matching your revs, i use to practice it all the time. i know how to shift up and down w/ out the clutch, its not like i do it all the time though. if you are good enough at rev matching and know when to move the shifter you can shift all the way up and then back down the gears when stopping. i have never tried shifting into first and taking off w/out the clutch and would suggest that NOBODY try it as well.</TD></TR></TABLE> Of corse it's doable, it's just silly and pointless, unless you like fixing things.

You arn't driving a '61 school bus, clutchless shifting double clutching and all that old school stuff serves no point.

 

you at least HAVE to use the clutch to put it in first, but from there its fairly easy to shift up, when you geting ready to shift open the throttle a bit more(increasing your rev) and then as you take your foot off the throttle you can slide the shifter back and as it finds the appropriate rev if will slide into second, don't jerk the shifter and try to shove it in gear at this time, put a little pressure on the shifter in the appropriate direction only. i have found that third to fourth is the easiest, you just slide it back as you release the throttle. downshifting is a whole different ball game. but you still wouldn't get going w\out the clutch is my point.

 

i see the arguement for the con's, but what are the pro's?

oh ya, there are NONE!

unless you like donating your cash to mechanics for their boat payments, by all means.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gRim06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you at least HAVE to use the clutch to put it in first, but from there its fairly easy to shift up, when you geting ready to shift open the throttle a bit more(increasing your rev) and then as you take your foot off the throttle you can slide the shifter back and as it finds the appropriate rev if will slide into second, don't jerk the shifter and try to shove it in gear at this time, put a little pressure on the shifter in the appropriate direction only. i have found that third to fourth is the easiest, you just slide it back as you release the throttle. downshifting is a whole different ball game. but you still wouldn't get going w\out the clutch is my point.</TD></TR></TABLE> ugh.

Yes you can in theory start a car with out using the clutch.

I've done it in fact day I broke my clutch pedal to move it so it was easy tow home and fix.

Car does NOT like it thought.

We should close this before we find a good 30 "ZOMG MY CAR IS TEH BROKENZ" threads.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ***$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Of corse it's doable, it's just silly and pointless, unless you like fixing things.

You arn't driving a '61 school bus, clutchless shifting double clutching and all that old school stuff serves no point.

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there is no such thing as double clutching, the term would be kicking the clutch which is use to adjust your rev when taking off. and if you a patient, and understand the way it all works and you do it right then there is no problem.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by grog &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i see the arguement for the con's, but what are the pro's?

oh ya, there are NONE!

unless you like donating your cash to mechanics for their boat payments, by all means.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the pro's are: you don't have to use your left foot for shifting, just the throttle and shifter, which can come in handy if your holding the wheel w/ ur knee or ur just plain lazy which ALOT of people these days are in one way or another. I'm not suggesting that this is for everyone at all. im not suggesting that this is a good idea to just go out and start shifting w/out the clutch all the time, i am stating the fact that this is most definately possible and that this practice can be perfected.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gRim06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there is no such thing as double clutching, the term would be kicking the clutch which is use to adjust your rev when taking off. and if you a patient, and understand the way it all works and you do it right then there is no problem.</TD></TR></TABLE> No such thing LOL!

You have never driven a non syrco car, that's proof enough right there.

As I said earlier it's not a old school bus it's not needed, so drive like a normal person my goodness.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gRim06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the pro's are: .</TD></TR></TABLE> fixed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ***$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ugh.

Yes you can in theory start a car with out using the clutch.

I've done it in fact day I broke my clutch pedal to move it so it was easy tow home and fix.

Car does NOT like it thought.

We should close this before we find a good 30 "ZOMG MY CAR IS TEH BROKENZ" threads.

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of course you can go from a stop w/ out using the clutch, every gear works the same, once you rev to the right rpm's the shifter will slide into first and as long as you dont completely let off the throttle you will go from a stop. but this is a complete NO NO. I have done it once in my car and i had no problem, but i understand that this is not something to practice. but it is not complety unrealistic to learn how to shift to second and so on w/out the clutch. again, i am not saying EVERYONE should go out and try this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gRim06 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

of course you can go from a stop w/ out using the clutch, every gear works the same, once you rev to the right rpm's the shifter will slide into first and as long as you dont completely let off the throttle you will go from a stop. but this is a complete NO NO. I have done it once in my car and i had no problem, but i understand that this is not something to practice. but it is not complety unrealistic to learn how to shift to second and so on w/out the clutch. again, i am not saying EVERYONE should go out and try this.</TD></TR></TABLE>...

Oh Hi brick wall, I'll talk to you instead you listen better.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ***$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...

Oh Hi brick wall, I'll talk to you instead you listen better.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ROFL.

every manual car i've owned ive shifted from 2nd to 3rd or from 3rd to 4th or downshift a few times for novelty sake... and thats all.... its a way to win an argument in the 21st century and thats all.

I also wouldnt reccomend a noob to try it, you needa good feel for the car and its guts, as well as speed/rpm combos. basically, you just can't be 90% of the ppl on this board to be able to do it unfortunatly.

no such thing as double clutching eh? well then i wonder what that thing i do is when i need to downshift into first???

For you snyper, way to hold down the fort

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ***$nyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> No such thing LOL!

You have never driven a non syrco car, that's proof enough right there.

As I said earlier it's not a old school bus it's not needed, so drive like a normal person my goodness.

fixed.

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the term double clutch does not apply to the vehicles in question, we are not talking about old school buses in which have to be clutch a certain way EVERY TIME in order to drive it. we are talking about a car that is normaly driven without having to double clutch, the only time you take off and have to clutch more than once is when you get a little momentum going and then you kick the clutch while adjusting revs to take off faster. double clutching is not a term related to the subject at hand, is my point.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89s1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

ROFL.

every manual car i've owned ive shifted from 2nd to 3rd or from 3rd to 4th or downshift a few times for novelty sake... and thats all.... its a way to win an argument in the 21st century and thats all.

I also wouldnt reccomend a noob to try it, you needa good feel for the car and its guts, as well as speed/rpm combos. basically, you just can't be 90% of the ppl on this board to be able to do it unfortunatly.

no such thing as double clutching eh? well then i wonder what that thing i do is when i need to downshift into first???

For you snyper, way to hold down the fort </TD></TR></TABLE> thank you much, I need it after this.

Max : So brick wall, what do you think about the whole gobal warming thing?
Brick Wall: ....
Max : I see your point and respect your thoughts but I disagree
Brick Wall: .....
Max : Well **** your mother too!
Brick Wall:....
Max : I'm sorry, that wasn't needed.
Brick Wall: ....
Max : ok, we can make out, just don't tell anyone.
Brick Wall: .....
Max : Oh you tease!

 

Compelling conversationalist compared to most wouldnt you say?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 89s1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Compelling conversationalist compared to most wouldnt you say?</TD></TR></TABLE> *thud*

I really have no morals left it seems.

 

i agree that this is possible cause i have done it before and i can actually do it extremely smooth with no grinds but i also agree that it serves absolutely no point cause in my experience it actually takes me longer to shift without the use of the clutch than it does with the clutch so what would be the purpose of this idea?