Just curious guys help me out there will it work and is it worth it. The motors a d16a6.

 

it will work i had a pm4 in my rex and didnt have a problem but u can only use the 90-91 ecu the ones from a 92-93 are obd1

 

and my opinion if ur askin if its worth it then i say no....

 

i thought the 92-93 gs-r's were obd1, the non-vtec's were still obd0. yeah or no?

 

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no, 92 started obd1. vtec or not

 

the ecu for the 1st gen teg will work. ive heard of it doing a little bit of good for the d16 but my bro tried it and a month later the motor kept dying on him. when he put the stock one back on the car ran fine. i dont know if the ecu was directly related to the problem tho.

 

well what about pg7 out of the later 80's models i have heard of people running this with their d16a6. I appciate the comments though guys.

 

Stick with the PM6 ecu on your A6. Why swap ecus? You don't have anything to gain by doing it. If anything you will lose power by adding more fuel then the engine needs.

 

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88-89 pg7 will work, 86-87 pg7 will not (vacuum advance)
90-91 pr4 will also work

all should work fine in closed loop, but open loop (fuel & timing) will be dependent upon your setup

 

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it was way worth it to me. i have had a PG7 for like 3 years,. car runs great, idles fine and still gets great mpg. everyone always says it runs rich blah blah. my crx has ran great.

 

Yeah, honda just wasted time and money in designing fuel and ignition maps specifically for each engine for something to do

Try and get an S2000 ecu, than your engine will think it has 200HP.

 

look if you have a stock ECu then keep it in the car. but if you don't: don't experiment just get a stock one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gibsanez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, honda just wasted time and money in designing fuel and ignition maps specifically for each engine for something to do

Try and get an S2000 ecu, than your engine will think it has 200HP.</TD></TR></TABLE>

unless you have personal experience i wouldnt be posting. are you putting a h22 ecu in your hatch?


Modified by 1QuikSOHCZC at 12:04 AM 10/30/2007

 

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unless you have personal experience i wouldnt be posting. are you putting a h22 ecu in your hatch?
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I'll be using a chipped ecu with a P13 basemap. That's why i said that honda designed specific fuel and ignition maps and not just specific computers.

Regardless, there is no (stock) ecu that will run your engine any better than the one programmed for it.

 

i use it just fine. its been running for 3 years no problem. i think its worth the money.

 

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Thats not the point. Nobody is contesting that different ECU's will run the same motors, its just that the specific ECU for the specific engine will always be more efficient. period.

Unless its just an absolute frankenstein.

 

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Show me a dyno-sheet that says an ECU programmed for an engine of different displacement/compression/cam setup will make more horsepower than the ecu designed for that engine. Otherwise, it's just your butt-dyno telling you it works better, when it really doesn't.

 

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Show me a dyno-sheet that says an ECU programmed for an engine of different displacement/compression/cam setup will make more horsepower than the ecu designed for that engine. Otherwise, it's just your butt-dyno telling you it works better, when it really doesn't. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i have my 1/4 time slips for 1. i have never dynoed my car so i couldnt say that it gained nor lost power but you cant either. if you have never personally tried this try to say something else other then the same thing. he is askin if works and is it worth it. i think it works good and i am currentley running it. have you ever tried
it?

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Thats not the point. Nobody is contesting that different ECU's will run the same motors, its just that the specific ECU for the specific engine will always be more efficient. period.

Unless its just an absolute frankenstein.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i totally understand what you guys are saying. but for me personally it worked better then my pm6. im going to try really hard to get a dyno sheet for you guys this or next week if im not to busy at work. might as well ill do one with a pm6 and a pg7.


Modified by 1QuikSOHCZC at 3:05 PM 10/30/2007

 

My friend is using a LS ecu in his D16 and he is turboed with no tune. I guess the map is diff with that ecu. It runs just fine and does not run lean.

 

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i have my 1/4 time slips for 1. i have never dynoed my car so i couldnt say that it gained nor lost power but you cant either. if you have never personally tried this try to say something else other then the same thing. he is askin if works and is it worth it. i think it works good and i am currentley running it. have you ever tried
it?
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1/4 times have so many variables in them that they can't be used as a measure of whether or not a change of the ECU is beneficial.

Honda did not design individual ignition and fuel maps just for fun. They tuned each map for each engine. It is simply nonsensical to think that a map for a 1.8L with different compression and a different powerband will make more horsepower than the maps designed for the engine itself. It just doesn't make sense.

 

If you have the resources you might as well throw in a PR4 for a run just for fun.

 

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It is simply nonsensical to think that a map for a 1.8L with different compression and a different powerband will make more horsepower than the maps designed for the engine itself. It just doesn't make sense. </TD></TR></TABLE>

88-89 pg7 integra Ls is 1.6 not 1.8.

 

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88-89 pg7 integra Ls is 1.6 not 1.8.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The OP wants to use a PR4 ecu for his D16, and you told him it was a good idea.

 

It's a fine Idea if he is boosting or spraying. othere then that there is no need.

 

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Since when is it a fine idea if he's running any kind of FI? Just because it has richer fuel maps doesn't mean it has the right fuel maps. You think people dyno tune their cars just for fun?