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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 11:45 PM
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I've got a 95 Civic EX Coupe. Got the Aspec Racing subframe reinforcement brace, a set of integra lower control arms with the endlink attachment holes, and I want to put a 22 or 23mm anti-sway bar on for road racing. Who makes the right bar that will fit, and what endlinks am I going to need to buy for said bar?
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 04:41 AM
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Just use an ITR rear. Its 22mm, OEM and you can use stock integra endlinks. You'll have no problems bolting it to your brace.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 09:21 AM
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You can use either stock GS-R or ITR end links with the ITR bar. I bought the ITR bar for around $70 and used my stock GS-R end links.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 11:09 AM
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or you can look into progress anti-sway that is longer than the itr/ctr 22mm, but is more stiffer caz it mounts closer to the wheels
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by young noob #2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or you can look into progress anti-sway that is longer than the itr/ctr 22mm, but is more stiffer caz it mounts closer to the wheels </TD></TR></TABLE>

Mounting the end links closer to the wheels on the LCA should make the sway bar feel softer, as the LCA will have more leverage to move the sway bar. Mounting the end links closer to the LCA-subframe bolt should make the bar feel stiffer since the LCA's would have less leverage.
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Old Oct 13, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mounting the end links closer to the wheels on the LCA should make the sway bar feel softer, as the LCA will have more leverage to move the sway bar. Mounting the end links closer to the LCA-subframe bolt should make the bar feel stiffer since the LCA's would have less leverage.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope, think motion ratios. motion ratios act as a squared function. A spring acts on a lever arm at an effectiveness of the square of the proportion between the wheel-innermount distance and the spring-innermount distance. If you were to mount a spring halfway between the inner and outer lca attachments, it would have an effective stiffness of (0.5^2)=25% of one that shares the outer attachment point.
since the inner mount of the lca is stationary, an endlink attached there would be stationary, having an effective wheel rate of 0 and the closer the spring mount gets to the inner pivot of the lca, the closer the effective wheel rate gets to zero.


edit: removed digressive ramblings


Modified by Voyage34 at 1:13 PM 10/13/2007
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Mounting the end links closer to the wheels on the LCA should make the sway bar feel softer, as the LCA will have more leverage to move the sway bar. Mounting the end links closer to the LCA-subframe bolt should make the bar feel stiffer since the LCA's would have less leverage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea dude, to put it simpler than voyage34, lol, the lca is going to have the same leverage regardless of where the anti sway bar is mounted, it is the mounting of the bar farther down the lca that will make the bar "stiffer" in the sense that the lca has to now flex against the bar that is farther down the lca, making the bar "stiffer" and not letting the lca move/flex as much as it did, as you put it, the lca has the same leverage, but now it is trying to flex against a wider mounted sway bar, in turn the lca and suspension doesn't move as much.........there we go lol
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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The Progress adjustable is actually 24mm. It requires no subframe reinforcement. Been running mine daily for 3+ years.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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well the one im talking about is surely 22mm and isn't adjustable, just mounts different
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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I just bought the ST one on Ebay...
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