vtec tapping?
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vtec tapping?
i have a question that is totally off the wall. i have a feeling this wont work but since you all are very knowledgable.
i was curious if it was possible to hook up a light so that when vtec kicks in this little light will come on. its nothing more then just a little fun light. it isnt going to do anything.
if its possible where could i tap into it? would i need a specific watt.
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2004 si usdm.
i was curious if it was possible to hook up a light so that when vtec kicks in this little light will come on. its nothing more then just a little fun light. it isnt going to do anything.
if its possible where could i tap into it? would i need a specific watt.
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2004 si usdm.
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Re: vtec tapping? (ALLmotorTYPES)
It's pointless because I-Vtec engages at 2200 on the K20a3. There is no crossover at 5500 like the K20a or a2 out of the Type R and Type S. Like he said your VTEC Light would be on constantly. It would be a PIA!
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oh ok. thanks. i didnt know how it worked.
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.
Modified by 949 at 7:33 AM 10/11/2007
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 949 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh ok. thanks. i didnt know how it worked.
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not in your Si. VTEC works more as an emissions device.
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not in your Si. VTEC works more as an emissions device.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 949 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oh ok. thanks. i didnt know how it worked.
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.</TD></TR></TABLE>No, essentially VTEC is like he said an emissions controller and or fuel conservation device. When you are not in VTEC or I-Vtec you are riding on a smaller camshaft lobe. Which saves fuel and cuts down on emissions. So when you are in VTEC or I-VTEC you are on the larger camshaft lobe which you cars ecu makes a fuel and timing adjustment to compensate for the added air intake. VTEC and I-VTEC never go off after it is engaged unless you drop below it's engagement point.
So to put it simple. If your I-VTEC engagement point is 2200 and you have this VTEC light you want. Any time you are above 2200 RPM you VTEC light will be on. Below 2200 and it will be off.
So now you can see what we say it's pointless. Your light will be constantly on unless you are at a stop light or idling.....
since it stays on all the time i can see why it would be bad. thanks for the info.
i always thought that vtec does go off somewhere higher on the upper bands of the rpm scale? so essentially it turns on down low and turns off on the upper band.</TD></TR></TABLE>No, essentially VTEC is like he said an emissions controller and or fuel conservation device. When you are not in VTEC or I-Vtec you are riding on a smaller camshaft lobe. Which saves fuel and cuts down on emissions. So when you are in VTEC or I-VTEC you are on the larger camshaft lobe which you cars ecu makes a fuel and timing adjustment to compensate for the added air intake. VTEC and I-VTEC never go off after it is engaged unless you drop below it's engagement point.
So to put it simple. If your I-VTEC engagement point is 2200 and you have this VTEC light you want. Any time you are above 2200 RPM you VTEC light will be on. Below 2200 and it will be off.
So now you can see what we say it's pointless. Your light will be constantly on unless you are at a stop light or idling.....
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Not in your Si. VTEC works more as an emissions device.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if its an emission device more then anything. (just curious) will a vtec controller or having honda data set at a higher level allow the light go on at a later rpm level or will it still do it at 2200rpm?
Not in your Si. VTEC works more as an emissions device.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if its an emission device more then anything. (just curious) will a vtec controller or having honda data set at a higher level allow the light go on at a later rpm level or will it still do it at 2200rpm?
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if you have anything that can change your vtec engagement point, that is when your light will come on but what is the point of the light? Just to show people i have a flashy light when your vtec engages? just because it's a light that comes on like you think your car is doing something fantastic as if you were an f1 racer to show people who drive by? To remind you when vtec kicks in because you have a very bad memory and you direly need to know when vtec kicks in?
your motor is a k20a3 (POS unless fully built) and it's vtec engagement is at 2200. There is more then 1 vtec and you have the other kind of vtec which is called vtec-e which, as described by the other people, as vtec efficiency which was made for fuel economy reasons and not for power.
if you have anything that can change your vtec engagement point, that is when your light will come on but what is the point of the light? Just to show people i have a flashy light when your vtec engages? just because it's a light that comes on like you think your car is doing something fantastic as if you were an f1 racer to show people who drive by? To remind you when vtec kicks in because you have a very bad memory and you direly need to know when vtec kicks in?
your motor is a k20a3 (POS unless fully built) and it's vtec engagement is at 2200. There is more then 1 vtec and you have the other kind of vtec which is called vtec-e which, as described by the other people, as vtec efficiency which was made for fuel economy reasons and not for power.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by risktypeS »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oooh...lord
if you have anything that can change your vtec engagement point, that is when your light will come on but what is the point of the light? Just to show people i have a flashy light when your vtec engages? just because it's a light that comes on like you think your car is doing something fantastic as if you were an f1 racer to show people who drive by? To remind you when vtec kicks in because you have a very bad memory and you direly need to know when vtec kicks in?
your motor is a k20a3 (POS unless fully built) and it's vtec engagement is at 2200. There is more then 1 vtec and you have the other kind of vtec which is called vtec-e which, as described by the other people, as vtec efficiency which was made for fuel economy reasons and not for power. </TD></TR></TABLE>The K20a3 is not a POS. You just need to pick the bolt-ons accordingly to your power goal. Sure it won't make the same power as an a2 or k20a however it was still the first K-Series. So to call the motor POS is just disgraceful to a person like me who loves the motor. Like i said, yeah it's underpowered. But compare the numbers to a B-Series that everyone loves so much! It's a great motor just needs a little more TLC to pull the power out of it.
Also if the K20a3 had VTEC-E it would be called that. Sure it's not the same as an a2's I-VTEC but that doesn't mean it's garbage. All VTEC systems are emissions related and made for fuel economy. Just because the other VTEC system on the a and a2 are on both cams doesn't mean it's for power.
The two reasons VTEC is around are these:
1. Lower emissions at low RPM.
2. Smoother transition in the power band from the low to high cam.
The VTEC kick is GAY i hate hearing about it. Because everyone that thinks they know Hondas believe that the "KICK" means power. That is a misconception! Ask the guys of Skunk2. You should feel no "KICK" just seamless power!
if you have anything that can change your vtec engagement point, that is when your light will come on but what is the point of the light? Just to show people i have a flashy light when your vtec engages? just because it's a light that comes on like you think your car is doing something fantastic as if you were an f1 racer to show people who drive by? To remind you when vtec kicks in because you have a very bad memory and you direly need to know when vtec kicks in?
your motor is a k20a3 (POS unless fully built) and it's vtec engagement is at 2200. There is more then 1 vtec and you have the other kind of vtec which is called vtec-e which, as described by the other people, as vtec efficiency which was made for fuel economy reasons and not for power. </TD></TR></TABLE>The K20a3 is not a POS. You just need to pick the bolt-ons accordingly to your power goal. Sure it won't make the same power as an a2 or k20a however it was still the first K-Series. So to call the motor POS is just disgraceful to a person like me who loves the motor. Like i said, yeah it's underpowered. But compare the numbers to a B-Series that everyone loves so much! It's a great motor just needs a little more TLC to pull the power out of it.
Also if the K20a3 had VTEC-E it would be called that. Sure it's not the same as an a2's I-VTEC but that doesn't mean it's garbage. All VTEC systems are emissions related and made for fuel economy. Just because the other VTEC system on the a and a2 are on both cams doesn't mean it's for power.
The two reasons VTEC is around are these:
1. Lower emissions at low RPM.
2. Smoother transition in the power band from the low to high cam.
The VTEC kick is GAY i hate hearing about it. Because everyone that thinks they know Hondas believe that the "KICK" means power. That is a misconception! Ask the guys of Skunk2. You should feel no "KICK" just seamless power!
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I would forget a bout this VTEC light to be honest, put your ingenuity into modifications that will make power! VTEC lights are a waste of time. Also you cannot change the VTEC engagement on the K20a3 unless you want the motor to run like ****.
Only suggestion would to invest in KPRO and a tune!
Only suggestion would to invest in KPRO and a tune!
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The two reasons VTEC is around are these:
1. Lower emissions at low RPM.
2. Smoother transition in the power band from the low to high cam.
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what you just mentioned was for VTEC-E.
love what you want love what you must but the k20a3 is still a POS unless fully built. This is my opinion and you will not change that no matter how much you preach. i'd rather own a b18c1 then a k20a3 any day of the week. And to let you know it is VTEC-E but not rather put on the car as called that. It has been described numerous times as vtec-e for efficiency (if you're a true honda head, you'd know this) since it was only intended for fuel economy and not for power.
Yes the vtec on the k20a and a2 were designed for power and so were the B16a's. the vtec on A and a2 are the same as the older b series vtec. The only difference with these motors is that they have VTC, which is on throughout the entire rpm ranges. the vtec that everyone knows is utilized in optimising performance at high RPM while the vtec-e (to make you feel better economy I-vtec), found in the k20a3, is the same as the SOHC vtec-e but never the less still called vtec-e. For your humor it is called I-VTEC-E but not labeled that on the car.
also the kick does mean power but only for a stock OEM motor with no bolt ons. It was put at a certain RPM to carry over into the higher rpms and optimising performance STOCK wise. now for truly putting the vtec to it's full potential and adding bolt ons, changing the engagement of vtec to lets say 5200 gives more power then the stock 5800 "kick". No you wont get the "holy **** vtec kick" as everyone seems to love. Everyone does think that if you don't feel the vtec "kick" then you don't have the power, but unfortunately for those who think that don't know the whole idea of how vtec actually works. The quiter the vtec and tuned correctly to find the excellent vtec engagement, is where the power is. the quiter the better. If you know what i'm saying then you know what i mean by "the quiter the better".
The two reasons VTEC is around are these:
1. Lower emissions at low RPM.
2. Smoother transition in the power band from the low to high cam.
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what you just mentioned was for VTEC-E.
love what you want love what you must but the k20a3 is still a POS unless fully built. This is my opinion and you will not change that no matter how much you preach. i'd rather own a b18c1 then a k20a3 any day of the week. And to let you know it is VTEC-E but not rather put on the car as called that. It has been described numerous times as vtec-e for efficiency (if you're a true honda head, you'd know this) since it was only intended for fuel economy and not for power.
Yes the vtec on the k20a and a2 were designed for power and so were the B16a's. the vtec on A and a2 are the same as the older b series vtec. The only difference with these motors is that they have VTC, which is on throughout the entire rpm ranges. the vtec that everyone knows is utilized in optimising performance at high RPM while the vtec-e (to make you feel better economy I-vtec), found in the k20a3, is the same as the SOHC vtec-e but never the less still called vtec-e. For your humor it is called I-VTEC-E but not labeled that on the car.
also the kick does mean power but only for a stock OEM motor with no bolt ons. It was put at a certain RPM to carry over into the higher rpms and optimising performance STOCK wise. now for truly putting the vtec to it's full potential and adding bolt ons, changing the engagement of vtec to lets say 5200 gives more power then the stock 5800 "kick". No you wont get the "holy **** vtec kick" as everyone seems to love. Everyone does think that if you don't feel the vtec "kick" then you don't have the power, but unfortunately for those who think that don't know the whole idea of how vtec actually works. The quiter the vtec and tuned correctly to find the excellent vtec engagement, is where the power is. the quiter the better. If you know what i'm saying then you know what i mean by "the quiter the better".
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wow i have learned a lot about this car.
i never knew why people hate this car so much and why some love it.
so what bolt on's could vastly improve this car?
it also just got a reflash from hondata. do you guys think the reflash and not the kpro was worth the 500.00?
i never knew why people hate this car so much and why some love it.
so what bolt on's could vastly improve this car?
it also just got a reflash from hondata. do you guys think the reflash and not the kpro was worth the 500.00?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 20CiviC02Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any time you are above 2200 RPM you VTEC light will be on. Below 2200 and it will be off.</TD></TR></TABLE>
k20a3 vtec engagement point= 2200rpm
k20a3 vtec disengagement point= 2000rpm
k20a3 vtec engagement point= 2200rpm
k20a3 vtec disengagement point= 2000rpm
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Re: vtec tapping? (949)
For those with real i-Vtec that want a light or LED, this picture will help.
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=230
Connector B(24P), Terminal #9, Blue/Black Wire, This looks like where the fun is at.
The signal is 12v. So depending on what you want for a light, only then can you figure out current and or power(watts).
I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=230
Connector B(24P), Terminal #9, Blue/Black Wire, This looks like where the fun is at.
The signal is 12v. So depending on what you want for a light, only then can you figure out current and or power(watts).
I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.
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I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, everyone needs a sweet, pointless light to look at when driving 100mph+ at night. Even better during an illegal race on public roads.
I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, everyone needs a sweet, pointless light to look at when driving 100mph+ at night. Even better during an illegal race on public roads.
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I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think a dim red neon that turns on in the footwells would look sweet while racing at night.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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what you just mentioned was for VTEC-E.
love what you want love what you must but the k20a3 is still a POS unless fully built. This is my opinion and you will not change that no matter how much you preach. i'd rather own a b18c1 then a k20a3 any day of the week. And to let you know it is VTEC-E but not rather put on the car as called that. It has been described numerous times as vtec-e for efficiency (if you're a true honda head, you'd know this) since it was only intended for fuel economy and not for power.
Yes the vtec on the k20a and a2 were designed for power and so were the B16a's. the vtec on A and a2 are the same as the older b series vtec. The only difference with these motors is that they have VTC, which is on throughout the entire rpm ranges. the vtec that everyone knows is utilized in optimising performance at high RPM while the vtec-e (to make you feel better economy I-vtec), found in the k20a3, is the same as the SOHC vtec-e but never the less still called vtec-e. For your humor it is called I-VTEC-E but not labeled that on the car.
also the kick does mean power but only for a stock OEM motor with no bolt ons. It was put at a certain RPM to carry over into the higher rpms and optimising performance STOCK wise. now for truly putting the vtec to it's full potential and adding bolt ons, changing the engagement of vtec to lets say 5200 gives more power then the stock 5800 "kick". No you wont get the "holy **** vtec kick" as everyone seems to love. Everyone does think that if you don't feel the vtec "kick" then you don't have the power, but unfortunately for those who think that don't know the whole idea of how vtec actually works. The quiter the vtec and tuned correctly to find the excellent vtec engagement, is where the power is. the quiter the better. If you know what i'm saying then you know what i mean by "the quiter the better". </TD></TR></TABLE>Okay so what you are telling me is that Honda had no intentions on making the K20a and a2 emissions friendly motors? I thought you know there goal was a sporty motor that will still get good MPG. I could be wrong.... But i don't think i am.
VTEC's sole function on any HONDA motor is to;
1. Reduce emissions at low idle.
and
2. Smooth the transition from low cam to high cam.
The K20a3 has VTC so i don't know what the hell you are talking about??
And the thing that Honda did to make the performance on the k20a and a2 are:
1. Higher Compression Pistons
2. Larger Cam Lobes and VTEC on both cams.
3. VTC on both cams not just the intake like the K20a3
4. Better flowing head.
This is the only thing that makes the K20a and a2 different from the a3. Not that the a3 has you gay little I-VTEC-E. The a3 is a great motor and does what it was designed to do. And very well. Sure it won't make as much power as an K20a or a2. But why knock it? You call it a POS so honestly i have no respect for you as a car enthusiast. It's still an awesome honda motor!
Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 9:41 PM 10/11/2007
Modified by 20CiviC02Si at 9:42 PM 10/11/2007
what you just mentioned was for VTEC-E.
love what you want love what you must but the k20a3 is still a POS unless fully built. This is my opinion and you will not change that no matter how much you preach. i'd rather own a b18c1 then a k20a3 any day of the week. And to let you know it is VTEC-E but not rather put on the car as called that. It has been described numerous times as vtec-e for efficiency (if you're a true honda head, you'd know this) since it was only intended for fuel economy and not for power.
Yes the vtec on the k20a and a2 were designed for power and so were the B16a's. the vtec on A and a2 are the same as the older b series vtec. The only difference with these motors is that they have VTC, which is on throughout the entire rpm ranges. the vtec that everyone knows is utilized in optimising performance at high RPM while the vtec-e (to make you feel better economy I-vtec), found in the k20a3, is the same as the SOHC vtec-e but never the less still called vtec-e. For your humor it is called I-VTEC-E but not labeled that on the car.
also the kick does mean power but only for a stock OEM motor with no bolt ons. It was put at a certain RPM to carry over into the higher rpms and optimising performance STOCK wise. now for truly putting the vtec to it's full potential and adding bolt ons, changing the engagement of vtec to lets say 5200 gives more power then the stock 5800 "kick". No you wont get the "holy **** vtec kick" as everyone seems to love. Everyone does think that if you don't feel the vtec "kick" then you don't have the power, but unfortunately for those who think that don't know the whole idea of how vtec actually works. The quiter the vtec and tuned correctly to find the excellent vtec engagement, is where the power is. the quiter the better. If you know what i'm saying then you know what i mean by "the quiter the better". </TD></TR></TABLE>Okay so what you are telling me is that Honda had no intentions on making the K20a and a2 emissions friendly motors? I thought you know there goal was a sporty motor that will still get good MPG. I could be wrong.... But i don't think i am.
VTEC's sole function on any HONDA motor is to;
1. Reduce emissions at low idle.
and
2. Smooth the transition from low cam to high cam.
The K20a3 has VTC so i don't know what the hell you are talking about??
And the thing that Honda did to make the performance on the k20a and a2 are:
1. Higher Compression Pistons
2. Larger Cam Lobes and VTEC on both cams.
3. VTC on both cams not just the intake like the K20a3
4. Better flowing head.
This is the only thing that makes the K20a and a2 different from the a3. Not that the a3 has you gay little I-VTEC-E. The a3 is a great motor and does what it was designed to do. And very well. Sure it won't make as much power as an K20a or a2. But why knock it? You call it a POS so honestly i have no respect for you as a car enthusiast. It's still an awesome honda motor!
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WOW... and you call yourself a car enthusiest.
if you think because it's not stamped on the car saying I-VTEC-E then that it is a pretty pretty poor exuse. Their were some cars that didn't even have vtec stamped on the motor but had vtec. Do you even know how vtec works? You do realize why my ancestors created vtec, how they started it right and what application they put it in first before they marketed it. Here i am going to quote the one place i don't like quoting but because it's early in the morning i don't have time to find a real good place for a quote:
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. <U>Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficienc</U>y, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
Quoted page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
i don't like to point people to wikipedia but it does have an accurate explanation of vtec. To let you know also, vtec was designed and put into their F1 racing cars before they utlized it in their economy cars. They did create your reduced emissions versions of vtec later down the road but vtec was mainly to create power out of a small liter engine.
because i don't like the k20a3 doesn't mean i'm not a car enthusiest. Do you like SOHC's? I would only own a SOHC for fuel economy but other then that, it's a hunk of crap as is the k20a3. They both were made for fuel economy reasons and that would be the only reason i would own either one. But because i don't like certain motors does not depict me as a person who is not a car enthusiest. I really only pay attention to cars that were made for power from the get go and not for fuel economy reasons.
So with that all being said, i think you need more history classes on HONDA and vtec before you try preaching something you think you know about. You do a little more research.
if you think because it's not stamped on the car saying I-VTEC-E then that it is a pretty pretty poor exuse. Their were some cars that didn't even have vtec stamped on the motor but had vtec. Do you even know how vtec works? You do realize why my ancestors created vtec, how they started it right and what application they put it in first before they marketed it. Here i am going to quote the one place i don't like quoting but because it's early in the morning i don't have time to find a real good place for a quote:
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. <U>Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficienc</U>y, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
Quoted page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
i don't like to point people to wikipedia but it does have an accurate explanation of vtec. To let you know also, vtec was designed and put into their F1 racing cars before they utlized it in their economy cars. They did create your reduced emissions versions of vtec later down the road but vtec was mainly to create power out of a small liter engine.
because i don't like the k20a3 doesn't mean i'm not a car enthusiest. Do you like SOHC's? I would only own a SOHC for fuel economy but other then that, it's a hunk of crap as is the k20a3. They both were made for fuel economy reasons and that would be the only reason i would own either one. But because i don't like certain motors does not depict me as a person who is not a car enthusiest. I really only pay attention to cars that were made for power from the get go and not for fuel economy reasons.
So with that all being said, i think you need more history classes on HONDA and vtec before you try preaching something you think you know about. You do a little more research.
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Originally Posted by risktypeS
WOW... and you call yourself a car enthusiest.
if you think because it's not stamped on the car saying I-VTEC-E then that it is a pretty pretty poor exuse. Their were some cars that didn't even have vtec stamped on the motor but had vtec. Do you even know how vtec works? You do realize why my ancestors created vtec, how they started it right and what application they put it in first before they marketed it. Here i am going to quote the one place i don't like quoting but because it's early in the morning i don't have time to find a real good place for a quote:
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. <U>Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficienc</U>y, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
Quoted page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
i don't like to point people to wikipedia but it does have an accurate explanation of vtec. To let you know also, vtec was designed and put into their F1 racing cars before they utlized it in their economy cars. They did create your reduced emissions versions of vtec later down the road but vtec was mainly to create power out of a small liter engine.
because i don't like the k20a3 doesn't mean i'm not a car enthusiest. Do you like SOHC's? I would only own a SOHC for fuel economy but other then that, it's a hunk of crap as is the k20a3. They both were made for fuel economy reasons and that would be the only reason i would own either one. But because i don't like certain motors does not depict me as a person who is not a car enthusiest. I really only pay attention to cars that were made for power from the get go and not for fuel economy reasons.
So with that all being said, i think you need more history classes on HONDA and vtec before you try preaching something you think you know about. You do a little more research.
if you think because it's not stamped on the car saying I-VTEC-E then that it is a pretty pretty poor exuse. Their were some cars that didn't even have vtec stamped on the motor but had vtec. Do you even know how vtec works? You do realize why my ancestors created vtec, how they started it right and what application they put it in first before they marketed it. Here i am going to quote the one place i don't like quoting but because it's early in the morning i don't have time to find a real good place for a quote:
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. <U>Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficienc</U>y, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
Quoted page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
i don't like to point people to wikipedia but it does have an accurate explanation of vtec. To let you know also, vtec was designed and put into their F1 racing cars before they utlized it in their economy cars. They did create your reduced emissions versions of vtec later down the road but vtec was mainly to create power out of a small liter engine.
because i don't like the k20a3 doesn't mean i'm not a car enthusiest. Do you like SOHC's? I would only own a SOHC for fuel economy but other then that, it's a hunk of crap as is the k20a3. They both were made for fuel economy reasons and that would be the only reason i would own either one. But because i don't like certain motors does not depict me as a person who is not a car enthusiest. I really only pay attention to cars that were made for power from the get go and not for fuel economy reasons.
So with that all being said, i think you need more history classes on HONDA and vtec before you try preaching something you think you know about. You do a little more research.
You ask me if i enjoy SOHC's! Yes i do, a properly built SOHC can make 170WHP ALL MOTOR w/ OEM Honda Parts! To me that's an achievement! If you have interest in finding out how, it's called the Super D. Also tubo SOHC's that make 350 are incredible as well! I have driven a couple.
You see i don't think of you as a Car Enthusiast because it takes appreciation for all cars and motors alike to be one. Sure im not a big fan of Muscle cars and drag cars, but i appreciate the fact they exist. If they didn't where would we be with our motors?
I personally don't care on what you think for the a3. I believe it's a stout motor with some untapped potential. And i will prove this to you! It will be a little while before i start building it, but when i do i will post up the dyno charts. Then you can see where im at. I will not be going for all out HP, because i will be focusing on where the power is within the powerband. Peak HP is only for all out track cars. My car will not be this yet.
So seriously man, i am telling you. I know that a built a3 won't produce the same numbers as a built a2. That is just the difference in the design. But don't knock the a3 because of that. I have driven many a2 and a2 swapped vehicles. I know what the motor is capable of, however i still believe that the motor is weak in low RPM range. Where as my a3 is in the power band from 2200 on up to 7500. The a2 could use a little work where it needs it most, that is 2000-5500 RPM.
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Also why isn't there a I-VTEC-E described in wikipedia? Could it be that there is no such thing? I see VTEC-E but not I-VTEC-E..... Case and point, there is no such thing. The a3 is just another I-VTEC motor that has a little more fuel economy and less HP.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wikipedia »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"Fuel Economy and Power"
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficiency, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
and
"Smooth transition in powerband."
VTEC is the result of an effort to marry high RPM performance with low RPM stability.
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There is my last post that concerns you whole theory about what VTEC is!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wikipedia »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"Fuel Economy and Power"
VTEC was initially designed to increase the power output of an engine to 100 ps/liter or more while maintaining practicality for use in mass production vehicles. Some later variations of the system were designed solely to provide improvements in fuel efficiency, or increased power output as well as improved fuel efficiency.
and
"Smooth transition in powerband."
VTEC is the result of an effort to marry high RPM performance with low RPM stability.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is my last post that concerns you whole theory about what VTEC is!