Hello all Im new to the import scene and havent a clue what im doing. Iv managed to build a diesel pickup that has 500 rwhp and 1000 lbft of tourque that ran a 13.2 at 102 mph @6879lbs but im lost when it comes to gas engines. Im looking into buying an eg civic and would like to make 600+ but dont know what combo of parts i should go with. any help would be great.

 

Making 600HP is no small feat, especially on a small honda motor. I'd suggest you rethink about what your goals are for the hatchback.. 400HP is a little more feasible and will require far less money to rebuild the motor.

I'd suggest going with either a complete b18b swap and rebuilding the motor and boosting it, or a b18c1 or an h2b swap -- both rebuilt and turbo'd. You can easily reach 400HP on any of those setups.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigkj &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello all Im new to the import scene and havent a clue what im doing. Iv managed to build a diesel pickup that has 500 rwhp and 1000 lbft of tourque that ran a 13.2 at 102 mph @6879lbs but im lost when it comes to gas engines. Im looking into buying an eg civic and would like to make 600+ but dont know what combo of parts i should go with. any help would be great.</TD></TR></TABLE>
its easy to make numbers like that on a diesel.

dont hold your breath for 600 on a FWD 4cyl man. your talking BIG bucks.

start small.

 

x2 keep the build posted though

 

gimmie the car and 25 grand and ill take it to my boys shop. rlz performace and u will get your 600.

 

Fully built B18 motor + GT40R + 30 PSI = 600+ WHP

Check out Full-Race.com

They have some of the best turbo kits you can purchase for a honda.

 

Yeah, full race will get you there. With the help of http://www.jgenginedynamics.com

But i'd start with smaller numbers first. These are hella light cars you're playing with
which is a good thing, but can also be a bad thing of you're not used to driving it.

The B18b swap is cheap to begin with and seems like a good candidate for cuilding it.

 

Thanks for all of the suggestions should i use a ls vtec or a gsr and what trans should i get?

 

gsr. nothing wrong with an ls/vtec, but it's more trouble than it's worth if the gsr is an option.

 

Excuse my ignorance, but why the hell would you build up a diesel pickup? and why would you track it?...I mean its a diesel pickup.....you should be towing a trailer with it.

(if there is a completely legit reason...please ignore me.)

 

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(if there is a completely legit reason...please ignore me.)</TD></TR></TABLE>
well whats the point of building a honda and racing it? should we just be driving around getting good gas mileage lol? diff strokes for diff folks

 

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well whats the point of building a honda and racing it? should we just be driving around getting good gas mileage lol? diff strokes for diff folks</TD></TR></TABLE>
You have a point...but still, our cars are CARS, sport-compact cars...lightweight, easy to make power out of without spewing out ***-loads of hydrocarbons....*sigh*..im just biased. I hate trucks...unless they are used for the purpose they were built for (towing/hauling)

 

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You have a point...but still, our cars are CARS, sport-compact cars...lightweight, easy to make power out of without spewing out ***-loads of hydrocarbons....*sigh*..im just biased. I hate trucks...unless they are used for the purpose they were built for (towing/hauling)</TD></TR></TABLE>

your civic is not a sports car

you are doing the same thing he is.

 

I think they build the same reason we do. Which is why I respect high HP Hondas over high HP cars like Vettes. Taking a car with 100-120 HP and making over 500 is an amazing feat to me. The trucks, although they may put out more power from the beginning usually double with not too much work. Just my $.02

 

He just wants something that will run 13's, he posted a time for his truck

Boosted stock LS is probably the cheapest/easiest route to 300 whp. Car will run 13's all day and night with a good set of tires.

 

My goal for the car is to alot faster than a 13 im looking for more like a 10 second pass. What do you people think about a ls bottom end with b16 head. And to clear up and questions about why i built my truck how many 7000 pound pickups do you know of that will run low 13 second passes all day long. i mean hell the second time my girlfriend ever ran the truck she ran a 13.6 in it. Not to mention the fact that 1000 lbft of torque feels amazing under your ***. When was the last time you felt that power? The truck is fun Ijust need a new project and have always wanted a turbo civic.

 

i felt 800 the other day in my buds viper =P

i wasnt driving
but it IS a nice feeling

LST FTW

 

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well it's all about power to the weight ratio. with 1000 lbs of torque and 600rwhp, you're only running a 13? I can do that with a 200whp hatchback.

My best advice that I can offer you with tuning hondas is decide what you want your car to be capable of first. If you want your car to run, 16s, 15s, 14s, 13s, 12s, 11s, 10s, 9s, etc. The n00b response is to look at which parts to obtain first.

1. Decide what you want your car to be capable of
2. Find out what it takes to get your car to that rate of acceleration, 90% of the time a built turbo d-series is going to be the best bang for the buck.
3. If you set out to have X engine with Y parts at first, you'll end up spending more money than you should and get beaten by cars that you shouldn't. (grammar ftw )


If i were to start all over again, i'd either do a f2d with a hybrid D trans, a turbo LS with GSR trans, or a turbo D with a hybrid D trans.

My setup is crazy, and I love it, but it took so much work to get it to where it is, that sometimes I write it off as being capable. It's also high maitenance. Sometimes I'd rather just drive my work vehicle (chevy astro) because I can drive it without thinking/worrying. These are all factors that you will need to sort out when you're deciding which route you want to take with your project.

If you have more money than time, I'd just go with a turbo GSR setup.

 

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your civic is not a sports car

you are doing the same thing he is. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I am NOT doing the same thing he is. I'm carrying out my hobby in arguably one of the most efficient ways possible. I can obtain a huge amount of power out of a little 4 banger thats hardly polluting at all. While he, on the other hand, is taking a polluting hog and making it even worse and less gas efficient. Have you ever seen what comes out of a diesel exhaust pipe when he steps on it? even a stock diesel truck?

OP: Keep in mind that this is my opinion...its your cup of tea, not mine. I'm just saying how I feel about it.

 

Holy ****.

It's an entire array of common sense.

I'm speechless.

Enter Dumb Statement:
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(if there is a completely legit reason...please ignore me.)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Enter Actual Reasoning:
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well whats the point of building a honda and racing it? should we just be driving around getting good gas mileage lol? diff strokes for diff folks</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

your civic is not a sports car

you are doing the same thing he is. </TD></TR></TABLE>

^^ x 20 ^^

Wow.

Let people build whatever the hell they wanna build.

Building a 13 second diesel truck at 7000lbs that's still street legal gets hella lot more props from me than a civic with everything gutted at 1800lbs or whatever with 500hp making 11's or so.

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its easy to make numbers like that on a diesel.

dont hold your breath for 600 on a FWD 4cyl man. your talking BIG bucks.

start small. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If he he built a 13 second diesel @ 7k lbs - money isn't much of a problem for him.

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Cheapest way to get there IMO would be fully built GSR with more aggressive cams and lower the compression with the forged internals. I'm not much into head work - but if you wanna replace the valvetrain with something aftermarket (not OEM) that can give you more power - but you'd probably also want a better flowing manifold with that. If you have the $ see if you can get your hands on a bisimoto raceheader (if they even make one for B series, not sure) and a full 3.5" exhaust w/o a cat.

Put a B16/ITR trans on that with a big turbo and you got yourself a good car.

I'd also run about 150 shot of nitrous and a nitrous/CO2 IC cooling system. That should get you into the 10's, but it'll cost a pretty penny.

Good luck.


EDIT:
PS:

What was your diesel setup? What base? Mods?

 

I can understand a disagreement with what I said, but to call my opinion "dumb" is just "dumb" in a whole new way. I was in no way insulting the OP. I even stated that it was his cup of tea, not mine. I was simply stating my opinion and asking for a logical argument in return.
Have a good day.


On a side note: You want some actual reasoning? Ever heard of global warming? Nevermind...lets all go build 600rwhp diesel trucks and see how much quicker this planet goes to ****.

 

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Cheapest way to get there IMO would be fully built GSR with more aggressive cams and lower the compression with the forged internals. I'm not much into head work - but if you wanna replace the valvetrain with something aftermarket (not OEM) that can give you more power - but you'd probably also want a better flowing manifold with that. If you have the $ see if you can get your hands on a bisimoto raceheader (if they even make one for B series, not sure) and a full 3.5" exhaust w/o a cat.
Put a B16/ITR trans on that with a big turbo and you got yourself a good car.
I'd also run about 150 shot of nitrous and a nitrous/CO2 IC cooling system. That should get you into the 10's, but it'll cost a pretty penny.

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dont you think those statements contradict eachother a little bit.

A BisiMoto race header and a big turbo on it?

 

Lmao. "Insert dumb statement here:"

 

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On a side note: You want some actual reasoning? Ever heard of global warming? Nevermind...lets all go build 600rwhp diesel trucks and see how much quicker this planet goes to ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, diesel engines emit quite a bit less emissions than gas engines do. You might think all that smoke you're seeing means more emissions, but that's not the case. Gas engines emit much more carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide than a diesel, and actually in total a diesel engine will emit almost 70% less greenhouse gases than a similarly powered gas engine. Diesels look worse on the road because most are in huge eighteen wheelers, but if you had a gas engine with enough power to move that truck it would be putting out over double the harmful emissions. So you're 300 whp Civic is probably worse for the environment than his 600 whp diesel.

 

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Actually, diesel engines emit quite a bit less emissions than gas engines do. You might think all that smoke you're seeing means more emissions, but that's not the case. Gas engines emit much more carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide than a diesel, and actually in total a diesel engine will emit almost 70% less greenhouse gases than a similarly powered gas engine. Diesels look worse on the road because most are in huge eighteen wheelers, but if you had a gas engine with enough power to move that truck it would be putting out over double the harmful emissions. So you're 300 whp Civic is probably worse for the environment than his 600 whp diesel.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know that diesel's are supposed to emit less pollutants than gasoline engines, but thats in reference to the same size engine. For example, a chevy silverado with a gasoline engine vs a chevy silverado with a diesel engine. But a chevy silverado with a diesel engine vs. a civic with an integra engine...You could very well be right, but if you are still running the smog equipment associated with the engine you have in your civic, I can't imagine it polluting more than a diesel truck.

By the way, thanks for coming up with some factual evidence to argue my opinion...versus just saying it was a "dumb statement."


Modified by alacard at 10:54 AM 10/11/2007