My STD build thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 12:58 PM
  #1  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default My STD build thread

Ok, b16a into an ED. This swap has been done a million times, but I'm doing it anyways. Yeah, I know the b16a doesn't have any torque but I don't care. I'm gonna have fun on the weekends with it anyways

Car as it sits now:


Underhood shot:


A little history on the car:
Bought the car 5 years ago with 68k miles and a salvage rebuilt title for less than $2k
Sold the D15 about 2 years ago to a friend that hydrolocked his d-series
Picked up a b16 and LS tranny from a guy in florida. This is where it's kind of interesting. I don't really know the history of the motor (got a good deal though) other than the head was milled and it has aftermarket springs, retainers, and cams. Underneath the valve cover is sparkly clean. Pulling the oil pan off and the windage tray off showed me that the bottom end was really clean too (might have been freshened up?) The motor is a first gen, but it was converted to OBD1 by the last guy that had it (in an EG.)

Friends at the Honda Dealership and Acura Dealership really helped me out with the parts. Many thanks to John at Willet Honda and Len at Sons Acura for the good deals.

I replaced the water pump, tensioner, and timing belt with OEM parts. All buttoned back up underneath the cover I decided to go ahead and install some Titan/Fidanza cam gears while I was there, figured it was easiest now.

New water pump installed.. old stock cam gears


I don't know if this is necessary, but I've always greased o-rings... very lightly


New timing belt and cam gears:



Other OEM parts include integra clutch cable, rear "L" bracket, random bolts, random gaskets (VC, oil pan) and fluids




I put eibach springs on the car back when it was my DD. They're still there but I added MFactory rear LCA, Toe Adjusters, Camber Adjusters, and tie bar (not installed yet). I also swapped in some DA brakes all the way around and some stainless lines. Oh, and some poly bushings in the trailing arms. Here's kind of a sorry pic from the back:


The battery for the car got used for another vehicle about a year ago, so I thought it was a good excuse for a nice battery (I bought the bracket to mount to the frame rail too)


I bought some axles and intermediate shaft off of a DA from a HT member



Seal for int. shaft side of tranny


When I popped the case open on the LS Hydro tranny it became obvious that it wasn't in that great of shape (not to mention the gearing sucks for a b16). I started looking a rebuilding it, but when I priced it out with everything I wanted it got expensive quick. My resolution? Brand new ITR tranny! Thanks Len!



I had already purchased the Hasport hydro conversion/mount kit and shift linkage. Ended up buying a DC 4-2-1 header to get me started (thanks again to HT for that one). Motor came with a DC 4-1 that was crushed on the bottom ended up giving it to a friend (I'm such a nice guy )

here are some parts stashed in the closet with my old BMX bike.. lol


Oh and here's the motor:


I replaced the flywheel with a 12.5lb ACT Streetlite and the clutch with an Exedy stage 1.

Flywheel installed with new OEM bolts, torqued to spec in pattern indicated in Helms manual


Here's the clutch disc going on:


already cleaned the flywheel surface, but don't forget the pressure plate surface:


Pressure plate installed.. clutch assembly finished:



I bought an engine harness from Rywire that is DPFI-MPFI and OBD0 to OBD1 (with jumper harness) to get around the OBD1 motor and give myself some tuning options. I do have to say that the harness is immaculate Great work.



notice the little bundle of wire and connecter that includes all of my new stuff for MPFI and VTEC.. you can see the other end in the OBD1 conversion harness:


I needed a computer, etc. so I ended up buying a p28 and s300 setup (real reason later)
rywire OBD0-OBD1 jumper harness shown:


Now here's my real reason for the s300. I know they're probably overkill and I'm not gonna make a ton of power by any means, but I've always wanted ITBs. I found a set in Marketplace from a member that was too good of a deal to pass up. I plan on running with the factory manifold and maybe a p30 bin from the Hondata until the ITBs go on. Then I'm gonna have to get it tuned and take advantage of the s300



Jenvey manifold with TWM DCOE style 45mm TBs. Exterior fitment between the manifold and the TBs isn't the best, but the previous owner had the setup ported all of the way through.



looks pretty smooth on the inside

Anyways, I expect some bashing over the ITBs, but again... I don't care

This is my setup in progress. I wanted to make a thread to help me get off my *** and get it finished. Any motivation you guys can provide would be appreciated. I hope this isn't too many pics, or not enough tech or anything. Delete if this isn't appropriate. Thread will get updated pretty regularly with my progress.

My next step on the car is grinding the front mount point on the front crossmember and removing the mount from the rear crossmember. My next step in the garage is mating the engine and tranny. more to come.


Modified by IT GUY at 8:52 AM 10/4/2007


Modified by IT GUY at 12:33 PM 10/5/2007


Modified by IT GUY at 12:34 PM 10/5/2007
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:12 PM
  #2  
wiZCo's Avatar
Stouts 'n' Scotch
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,383
Likes: 0
From: Milwaukee, WI
Default

Looks like fun!

GL with the ITBs, sounds like you have done your research to at least try to make them work properly.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:19 PM
  #3  
garageEF's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,413
Likes: 0
From: Under the hood of a 4th gen,, Oregon, usa
Default Re: (wiZCo)

always nice to see an STD gettin some love
how much did that tranny run you?
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 01:25 PM
  #4  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: (garageEF)

tranny was right around $1500 (as much as the car was.. lol) It was a tax return purchase

from past experiences I know that gearing can either make something a fun drive or totally suck. I've also driven too many integras and cars with swaps that had tranny grinds. I just didn't wanna deal with it, so I bit the bullet and dropped the cash.

thanks for the positive posts guys

oh and a rarity for an ED, the car still only has 98k miles on it.. no drivers seat tear or anything
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 02:11 PM
  #5  
SiR Inspired ED7's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,538
Likes: 2
From: Riverside County 951, Ca
Default Re: (IT GUY)

Looks like a nice Build... Bump for new OEM Parts
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 02:17 PM
  #6  
JKGONZALEZ3's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,334
Likes: 0
From: Long Beach
Default Re: (IT GUY)

looks like its gonna be a fun car to drive


deep down i always wanted a STD .
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 02:32 PM
  #7  
jdm_titan's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 385
Likes: 0
From: Whittier, CA, USA
Default Re: My STD build thread (IT GUY)

love the car and the ITB's
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2007 | 05:00 AM
  #8  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: My STD build thread (jdm_titan)

Thanks everyone.. I'm gonna try and work on it over the weekend when I'm off work, so I'll post progress soon




Modified by IT GUY at 10:51 AM 10/4/2007
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2007 | 05:58 AM
  #9  
290allen's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 185
Likes: 2
From: Dallas, tx
Default Re: My STD build thread (IT GUY)

looks great man, going to be tons of fun when its done.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2007 | 06:27 AM
  #10  
503_EF9's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 845
Likes: 0
From: portland, oregon, US
Default Re: My STD build thread (290allen)

lookin good man hopefly those itbs will compliment the b16s high end well.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2007 | 06:57 AM
  #11  
abnaasefmb's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 3
From: honky in, nc, usa
Default Re: My STD build thread (503_EF9)

looking good. b16's can make tq, they just need some encouragement like a turbo here's mine.



Modified by abnaasefmb at 11:08 AM 10/4/2007
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2007 | 08:15 AM
  #12  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: My STD build thread (abnaasefmb)

^^^probably the best way to make torque

I'm hoping to gain a little torque with the ITBs. I doubt I'll make any more peak HP though, just hoping for a fat powerband

Dyno looks good abnaasefmb,
btw. where's your crossover set? looks like around 5200rpm maybe?
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 06:16 AM
  #13  
abnaasefmb's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 3
From: honky in, nc, usa
Default Re: My STD build thread (IT GUY)

yeppers
good luck keeps us updated, looks sick.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 07:22 AM
  #14  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: My STD build thread (abnaasefmb)

Thanks for the encouraging words everyone.. I've got a question though.

Can anyone help me identify these retainers? I wasn't the one to have the head built, and I don't have all of the details... just wondering if someone would know by looking. Most retainers I've seen are flat and these are a little different


Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 08:55 AM
  #15  
CBURKE's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,975
Likes: 0
From: St.pete FL
Default

Kinda look stock to me. Good work though.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 09:03 AM
  #16  
Fezzie's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,921
Likes: 0
From: So Cal 760, USA
Default Re: My STD build thread (IT GUY)

Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 09:04 AM
  #17  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: (CBURKE)

I thought the side that faced out was flat on stock retainers? like this:

Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 10:54 AM
  #18  
CBURKE's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,975
Likes: 0
From: St.pete FL
Default

Your right........ not sure then.
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 12:33 PM
  #19  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: (CBURKE)

Thanks anyways CBURKE

It kinda looks like they might be these crower retainers I found a pic of:

Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 01:28 PM
  #20  
ludesrv's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,038
Likes: 3
From: Kitchener, On, Canada
Default

Torque is over rated...
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 02:20 PM
  #21  
93-lsvtec-eh2's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 533
Likes: 0
From: smallbany, south GA, us
Default Re: (ludesrv)

just send the springs to a machine shop an have them check the spring tension to see if they are quite a bit more than stock.

by the way everything looks nice man and the itb's should turn the b16 into the little b16 that could the midrange torque was good on my engine and should be just as good on yours. i would try to find some cams that make power way up top to benefit from the itb's
Reply
Old Oct 5, 2007 | 03:28 PM
  #22  
IT GUY's Avatar
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,951
Likes: 0
From: atlanta, ga, usa
Default Re: (93-lsvtec-eh2)

What's up Chris? Thanks again for those ITBs
Hopefully I'll put 'em to use soon..lol

Good idea about the springs.
hey, is there a way for me to check those cams too?

isn't there a tool that rides the cam lobes and has a dial indicator?

I'd like to know if the cams are stock or not
I notice you still have those spec 5 cams for sale, if these aren't something I can use maybe we'll have to talk about them
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2007 | 01:59 AM
  #23  
abnaasefmb's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,844
Likes: 3
From: honky in, nc, usa
Default Re: (IT GUY)

I could be wrong on this but I think I remember hearing that the auto tranny b16 cam with aluminum retainers.
Reply
Old Oct 6, 2007 | 02:20 AM
  #24  
STREETWERKZ's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 5,967
Likes: 3
From: San Diego, CA
Default Re: (abnaasefmb)

finally an 07 member with a decent build.

Reply
Old Oct 6, 2007 | 03:02 AM
  #25  
661rex89si's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,160
Likes: 0
From: Palmdale, CA
Default

looks very promising
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:09 AM.