I bought a del sol about a year ago as a project car.
I bought a D16 transmission and a head from Robbie aka Hybridhatch88.
I was almost finished with the project. I came to work on the motor and found the head to be fucked up pretty bad.

I tried contacting him on HT, on aim, and in person. He answered (lied) once on HT and said, lied, it's a good head. Ever since, he has been ignoring me 100%

Details below:
I'll go ahead and quote myself from a different thread:

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Hey Robbie. I bought a D16y8 Head and tranny from you about a year ago for my project Del sol. I was told it has approx 55,000 miles on both of them.

I had the car ready to pretty start but I had to set timing belt first. Well, that quickly came to an end when I start working on it.

While assembling my engine we realized that the AEM cam gear was retarded. So we try and bring it back to " TDC " but no luck. One of the bolts holding the cam gear down was strip'd to hell.

We took the Cam Gear Bolt " 12mm thats hold the camgear to the cam shaft off to find out that what in the world is going on. The whole reason for this cam gear being retarded all the way was that it has a MESSED UP the pin that lines the cam gear and shaft up was 90degrees from where it needed to be.

So we found the reason why the cam gear was way retarded. Now. Why is this head not rotating smoothly but really rough?

So we start taking the head apart to find out that the rocker arms that holds the cam shaft to the head was SCAR'D. The cam shaft was grinding into the head

Here's some pics from yesterday:
















Everbody that knows me can vouch that I did NOT touch this head till last night. Everybody knows and the saw the head sitting in my garage the whole time.

All I'm asking is that you works something out with me because I've been working on y car for over a year and was finally ready to get it started yesterday till I ran into this.


I don't know what's the deal behind the head or I was told it was in pretty damn good condition when I bought it from you and Ari was there to vouch for that.
Let me know
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you bought it over a year ago? why didnt you at least inspect it the day it was delivered to you?


is it possible that the scoring and damage was due to you spinning the cam/gear with no oil pumped to the head?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you bought it over a year ago? why didnt you at least inspect it the day it was delivered to you?


is it possible that the scoring and damage was due to you spinning the cam/gear with no oil pumped to the head?
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I didn't take it apart to inspect it because he's a local guy and was a Honda certified tech, and he WAS a reputable person. I had no reason to doubt him.

But lately, everybody around here has been saying that he's been REALLY SHADY lately.

No I couldn't have messed it up because i couldn't turn it PERIOD!

 

i have a good z6 head i can sell you for $120 shipped

 

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I didn't take it apart to inspect it because he's a local guy and was a Honda certified tech, and he WAS a reputable person. I had no reason to doubt him.

But lately, everybody around here has been saying that he's been REALLY SHADY lately.

No I couldn't have messed it up because i couldn't turn it PERIOD!</TD></TR></TABLE>


i hate to be the bearer of bad news, it was your responsibility to inspect it thoroughly. ive bought various engines and trans from Hmotors who are also reputable and local. they wont let the motor leave their warehouse until i inspect it.
they also give a 30 day start up warranty. (which is a long time to have something in your possession.) to have at your house, in your garage, with your tools, and your knowledge, or lack of.

but a year?

you claim it "couldn't have messed it up because you couldn't turn it PERIOD." which means you tried turning it.


i'm sorry, if the guy is local.... go see him in person if you really feel he is at fault. it doesnt sound like an intentional "SCAM".


i also feel that the word "SCAMMER" is thrown around too loosely on this website and all threads containing that word should be reviewed by a moderator. one accusation could ruin a person's chance to sell at all on this website. even if the accusation is incorrect or the seller is a little slow at shipping an item.


scam- (noun)
1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.
–verb (used with object)
2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.


did you see the "quick profit"? a year is hardly quick profit.

i am not siding with the other guy, dont take my posts the wrong way. but its hard to evaluate the situation without seeing his side of the story. the same way a judge wont se a court case unless both parties are present.

if he's a local, take him to small claims court.

 

Dude seriously, i'm not trying to be an *** but I don't need this right now.

His ROOMATES said he was being a shady *** recently.

A year becuse that's when I got to it. I bought the cadr with no motor and built it from scratch.

I have WAY TOO many vouches that I didn't touch the head till few weeks ago when I found out it was messed up BY ANOTHER HONDA CERTIFIED TECHNICIAN.

No I just tried to touch it and it wouldn't BUDGE. There's a big *** different and don't' sit here and tell me I messed it up when there is OTHER explanations that tell the head was fucked way before I got it.

I understand where you are coming from. I just bought the bumper plugs from you and you have great service unlike what just happened.

I'm a poor ****** college student and don't' have time for this when EVERYBODY LOCALLY knows i didn't touch. So just please keep that to yourself.

 

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I have WAY TOO many vouches </TD></TR></TABLE>


and so does he:

<u>Vouches</u>

hybrid901
ben@importparts.com
technician419
AintegraA
lightning
Boostfed
Flamenco-T
2K_TEG
Jonny Lee
B--RYAN
G"UNIT
fatboygsr
ExtremePowerOuters
mstewar
flasheddc5
drumking15
boomslang
hpfsi
dwnthehatch
pacifico
eh294
ebpcivicsi1234
B18C1CYA
WIRED RICKY
shaun
StreetLevelPerformance
solowerks
jaysteven
UltraRev
Infinite Auto
AznPrideYo
vtecb20coupe
PrecisionH23a
2000ek
lodo
mtber
SPNFEDEH
Justin Klemgold
jay jay
The Lobster
gunmetalej
Cimburke23
StylishDOHC
M.A.R.C.


the point is, you saw the head in person before you you handed him the money. correct?

you should have looked at it then. trusting or not. that's on you. that is were the term "buyer beware" comes from.
and you have had it in your possession for a year. you didnt once want to look it over until now? you were irresponsible for the care of your purchase. this thread should be locked until the other party can respond.

 

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and so does he:

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Ok thanks for the contribution. Please find another thread to help out in

 

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Ok thanks for the contribution. Please find another thread to help out in </TD></TR></TABLE>

i am helping out. a judge wont see a case until both parties are present. i want to hear his side too. sometimes things arent fair. my response might not be fair in your eyes either. but i think it's unfair that people on this website have the privledge to slander another person's name.

 

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i am helping out. a judge wont see a case until both parties are present. i want to hear his side too. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I already stated it above. He refuses to confront me!

 

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I already stated it above. He refuses to confront me! </TD></TR></TABLE>


i sent him the link to this thread.


like i said earlier... if he is local, take him to court.

the judge is going to ask why you didnt inspect it before you bought it and the judge will also ask you why it took so long for you to get around to inspecting the head.

 

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i am helping out. a judge wont see a case until both parties are present. i want to hear his side too. sometimes things arent fair. my response might not be fair in your eyes either. but i think it's unfair that people on this website have the privledge to slander another person's name.

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There is one thing about being objective and their is being beyond a Devil's advocate. I wouldn't be any less happy than the OP if i had a shitty product this much later after buying it or not. It's bullshit that it's in that kind of condition and was told as "good condition" that isn't even running. He knew when he pulled it that it was bad and sold it anyways.
Talk about bait and switch.
A shitty seller is a shitty seller. Vouches aren't always about selling. those could be his buying vouches which mean nothing of his integrity.

 

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There is one thing about being objective and their is being beyond a Devil's advocate. I wouldn't be any less happy than the OP if i had a shitty product this much later after buying it or not. It's bullshit that it's in that kind of condition and was told as "good condition" that isn't even running. He knew when he pulled it that it was bad and sold it anyways.
Talk about bait and switch.
A shitty seller is a shitty seller. Vouches aren't always about selling. those could be his buying vouches which mean nothing of his integrity.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand. but i also havent heard his side either. their are two sides to every coin. i guess its okay to make a scammer thread because the OP called "heads" first.

i dont think any other posts should be made until Hybridhatch88 is allowed to respond. that's only fair.

 

Vouches are pretty easy to fake, you know. That's why we do not allow "vouch" threads any more.

But I think that after a year has gone by, it's going to be very hard to a basically honest seller who made a mistake to trust that the purchaser didn't screw up the head after a year's gone by.

 

The only thing I can suggest is to go see him in person. Im sure you know that there is a couple good ways to get your money and couple bad. Do your best to stay calm.

 

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I can't see him in person. I bought it during last summer when I lived in Greenville, SC
I"m at school now and don't have time to go back ESPECIALLY when he won't answer me.

He moved and I don't know where he lives anymore.

 

#1. Free Speech


I think it's totally within the OP's right to call scammer.
He shouldn't have the burden of guilt on his end to say that the head wasn't bad.
The seller should not have claimed to had something good that wasn't.

 

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I think it's totally within the OP's right to call scammer.

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there are also laws against slander.

What Are Defamation, Libel and Slander?

Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
4. Damage to the plaintiff.

In the context of defamation law, a statement is "published" when it is made to the third party. That term does not mean that the statement has to be in print.

Damages are typically to the reputation of the plaintiff, but depending upon the laws of the jurisdiction it may be enough to establish mental anguish.

Most jurisdictions also recognize "per se" defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:

* Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
* Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
* Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
* Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;

While actions for defamation have their roots in common law, most jurisdictions have now enacted statutes which modify the common law. They may change the elements of the cause of action, limit when an action may be filed, or modify the defenses to an action for defamation. Some may even require that the defendant be given an opportunity to apologize before the plaintiff can seek non-economic damages.

 

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i sent him the link to this thread.
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Good luck on getting him to respond.

Pete has tried to get this resolved for months now, he doesn't reply to any PM's he gets here or any other method Pete has tried to contact him. He's tried to handle this without slandering Robbie, but eventually you have to call people out to get things handled sometimes, especially between INDIVIDUALS.

You referenced businesses earlier in speaking about Hmotors, I think there is a difference between businesses selling products and a local individual selling stuff they have.

Your comments about going to court are very true, he should not have waited so long to find out the problem. It would be definite hurdle to deal with if it goes to court. I don't think Pete wants to take it to that level, I just think he wants some resolution and Robbie to actually contact him so they can come to an agreement.

 

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He moved and I don't know where he lives anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE>


you said earlier that you talked to his roommates.

 

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you said earlier that you talked to his roommates.

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His OLD roomates, sorry....

edit, dude, I'm not asking you to be my lawyer. If I need one, i'll get one. Can you stop putting extra stuff in my thread? Thanks

 

thread going down hill


you may have to chalk the loss

bright side i have a good head cheap

 

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dude, I'm not asking you to be my lawyer. If I need one, i'll get one. Can you stop putting extra stuff in my thread? Thanks
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the stuff will remain until he responds. if he doesnt within 2 weeks, (reasonable amount of timing vs. your year), i will retract all of my statements.


i just hate seeing a person's name dragged through the mud before they can defend themselves.

here is a scenario i just thought up....

say you went to the junkyard and found a d16z6 head. and you removed the head and brought it to the counter to pay for it. do you think the junk yard would take the head back after a year? after all, you had time to inspect it BEFORE you handed the money over. just doesnt sound right.

 

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Please bear in mind that if you take that path, you are putting the exact same kind of legal burden on yourself as you are trying to put on the original poster.

You'd be essentially making a charge without any foundation at all, which is what you're accusing the original poster of doing, except that the original poster alleges that he has evidence, and you do not.

 

pete i will get in touch with robbie for you. i never talk to him, dont see him, but this needs to be resolved.

i dont think i can do anything for you, but i am gonna try to locate him and see what i can do if anything. least i can do since i know him. i saw that you have been trying to contact him for a while and i havent seen him or you in a little bit now and actually hung with you guys.

If i cannot help you that way, i can see if i can get you a head. I have a friend with a z6 he was almost gonna throw away. i can see if i can get it for you or try to locate something at a resonable cost.

just trying to come to the best conclusion for this.