Greetings, as my nick states i'm a Mustang guy with a secret love for hondas I won't drive anything buy honda products for dailey drivers becuase they are so darn reliable and economical. My other ride is a mid 12 second mustang (12.64@111.6) and I do love going fast in straight lines!

I currantly have a teriffic Acura CL 3.0 but i want somthing a bit more sporty and fun to driveon a dailey basis. I'm looking at trading for a 95 GSR or a 99 GS (non vtec).

As I can;t leave anything stock as part of a genetic defect I'm weighing my options as far as what I will like more in the long run, either way the car will see some all motor modifications. I'm def. not going to go forced induction.

Ok, so with that out of the way, a few questions:

99 LS Teg, stock 140hp - say I add the typical Intake/header/exhaust what can I expect for power gains, whp and ballpark 1/4 mile times? Does it take a turbo or an LS/VTEC setup to break into the 14s with an LS in street trim with a/c and full interior? Will a I/H/E LS run with an all stock GSR for comparissions sake?

94 GSR stock 170hp, same kinda mods same question, average whp and ballpark ETs?

I gotta say i'm leaning towards the LS because its newer and I dig the 98+ front end, but if it is really a dog and N/A mods would have to be extensive to run on par with the GSR i'll go GSR. I gotta say in test drivin them both I dodn;t really "feel" much of a differance.

Anyhow, and thought or info would surebe apreciated!

thanks

Craig.




Modified by Hondalovinmustangguy at 10:24 AM 10/3/2007

 

You will get 0 rear wheel horsepower. haha. Integra are front wheel drive.
It's harder to make big horsepower with a small displacement engine when you're NA.
I don't do drag race and I drive a GSR so I can't tell you for sure about an LS, but a GSR with I/H/C/E will run 14s and be around 170whp with a good tune. If you want 200+, you'll have to consider forged internals, headwork, and higher compression.
I love how my GSR engine rev and the short ratio transmission. I don't know if I can stand a 6500rpm redline.
I would suggest a GSR, but I'm biased. You won't lose either way, but I think the GSR is a better starting platform. If you'll save money by going with the GS, then do it. Upgrade to LS/VTEC later when you realize you can't live without VTEC. For me, once I experienced VTEC, I never looked back.
Since you're going to modify the car anyway, you can get a 98+ front and rear later. Honda engines last forever as long as basic maintenance are performed. I wouldn't worry about higher mileage with the older car. Also, since cars gets heavier every year because of safety features, maybe the 95 weigh less. Don't quote me on that though. There are numbers available online, so just search for them.

 

gsr if you are only doing i/h/e. older body style look great too.

as mentioned, the major downside of the ls is the transmission.

 

LOL @ RWHP, I feel like a tard... old habit.

OK, so 170 to the wheels is doable with I/H/E on a GSR, I can live with that - Are low 15s a practical expectation? With an s2 intake and a set of cams crack the 200whp mark or does it take more than that? Basicly I'd like to just do bolt ons without dipping into the motor until it I can justify a rebuild/upgade do to high miles of excessive abuse Being new to these cars i'd just like to get a feel for what I can practically expect.

Sounds like the LS is a poor base from which to build somthing fast unless I want to turbo it, or build a solid bottom end and get a vtec head, or just do a GSR swap. Would you guys concour?

 

Skunk 2 doesn't make an intake and you're not going to get even close to 200whp with just cams. You're also not going to get 170WHP with just boltons. Search.

 

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i disagree, with good quality parts that make proven power, you can attain 170whp with just boltons.

this would include a 3" aem cold air intake, quality custom header, test pipe, 2.5" exhaust, skunk2 intake manifold, and a tune.

 

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i disagree, with good quality parts that make proven power, you can attain 170whp with just boltons.

this would include a 3" aem cold air intake, quality custom header, test pipe, 2.5" exhaust, skunk2 intake manifold, and a tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah but that will cost some major money... breaking 200whp (n/a) will be even more.

 

in the end you will need to have a good tune
along with the I/H/E, get some larger injectors and cams, with a proper tune it will be very responsive, also don't forget suspension

 

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Yeah but that will cost some major money... breaking 200whp (n/a) will be even more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well you can't really make any reliable power (which is what the op is looking for) without major money.

 

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well you can't really make any reliable power (which is what the op is looking for) without major money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes I am aware, but I was stating that so the OP would know what he'd be getting into (money-wise) if he wanted to go N/A.

 

Thanks guys... obviously power costs $ someone once said you can have

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

But you only get to chose 2.

heheh

anyhow, perhaps my Hp goals are non realistic.

What will a basic I/H/E setup make to the wheels on a GSR and on an LS. This will give me a good starting point.

Thanks.

 

I've owned a few Integras in my day and I'd rock out with a GSR w/ a comptech intake for a daily driver. If you decide to do header/exhaust I'd just get the JDM ITR setup (header/cat/exhaust) and leave the loud *** exhaust to other people. That will yield you around a 15.2 w/ just the intake and around a 14.8 w/ the exhaust setup. Ofcourse you could buy a hatch w/ a k-series engine and rock out in the 13s and get better gas mileage.

 

The GSR, for sure! The 95 GSR is OBD1 it already has a P72 ECU, and less annoying electrical BS for emissions sake.

 

A good driver with a healthy gsr is capable of low 15s. i/h/e in a gsr will probably yield ~160whp and in an LS ~135whp

 

i think you're gonna be pissed at the lack of torque in these cars...i would get a GS-R since its more fun and gets marginally better mileage when driver w/ reservation.

 

ive owned both cars before and i have to say the ls was fun but if you want speed go for the gsr i currently have a gsr and loving every minute of it ! when i had the ls i would keep up with celica gt's and get smoked by mustang gt's, celica gts' but now that i have the gsr i smoked a celica gt by 3 cars and also beat a gts by a couple of cars and a mustang gt...idk if its me or what but mustangs seem to be getting slow(no offense) **** i even beat an accord v6 vtec 3.0l!! took him in third gear!!

anyways my two cents....the gsr

 

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I disagree....the gearing makes up for the torque factor. In fact my SC300 w/ 220 ft/lbs is weak sauce in my opinion. Given thats not "huge" amounts of torque, but its nearly double that of the teg.

 

Right on, great info so far guys. I've been power reading the teg and all motor forum, it seems that to squeek 15s or better out of an LS a turbo or a seriously build high comp ls vtec is required.

Sounds like the GSR is gonna keep me a lot happier with less work.

So 160whp is doable with just a i/h/e, so what are are a set of cams, adjustable gears and a blox/s2 intake gonna be worth on top of that?

I think that would be the limit of my mods untill a rebuild would be required (other than suspension of course).

Thanks again guys!

Craig

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alexisthemovie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i disagree, with good quality parts that make proven power, you can attain 170whp with just boltons.

this would include a 3" aem cold air intake, quality custom header, test pipe, 2.5" exhaust, skunk2 intake manifold, and a tune.</TD></TR></TABLE>

When I said boltons, I meant I/H/E. No tune, no IM, nothing else. If you're talking about strictly anything that is considered a bolton, you might as well throw a turbo kit in there somewhere.