B18a1 Bottom End, Had a b17 head but i am now switching it with a B16 head. Many people said to use LS head gasket. I bought one from Acura Yesterday. PN 12251-PR4-004 But it seems not to fit on my head too well. holes need to be bored and some holes dont match up. My question is, was this right?(to get this HG) And what to do if it is right.

 

B16/17 heads should both be a PR3 head. I thought you were supposed to use a VTEC head gasket?

 

Yea i know, kinda strange. The person i bought this head off of said to use a LS HG becuase he used b16 head it would not match up with the block. But lets get some more opinions

 

non vtec headgasket. It's not supposed to match the head...it's supposed to match the block.

 

Well, I'm using a p30 headgasket on my ls/vtec and it's leaking on the timing belt side. I was warned of this before I put the motor together but thought if it was true why wouldn't more people complain. I can't tell you why it leaks with one headgasket and not the other but I know I will be switching to an LS headgasket in the future and find out for my self.

 

Alright cool guys, My P30 was also leaking. So what do i have to do to make this LS head gasket compatible. Just Bore those little holes a bit wider?

 

the easiest way to resolve your problem is to use the golden eagle "dowel pins" with their head gasket. If you already had your block drilled out, then use a stock ls hg. If your still leaking, then the machine shop messed up on drilling your block. I'm using the golden eagle set-up and 8,000 miles so far, no leaks.

 

Maybe you just got lucky, do you have a timing belt cover? If you do then you wont be able to see the leak. I used the golden eagle kit and mine leaks.

 

Mine was using the Golden eagle kit as well. BUt it was leaking. So i decided to change the head to B16 and use the LS HG. But in order for the HG to go on my B16 head two holes need to be widened. DO i just do it with a drill?

 

im using the Mugen head gasket on my LS/vtec with b16 head and no leaks at for me.

 

Thanks for answering my question..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jtuned DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mine was using the Golden eagle kit as well. BUt it was leaking. So i decided to change the head to B16 and use the LS HG. But in order for the HG to go on my B16 head two holes need to be widened. DO i just do it with a drill?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You dont need to enlargen anything...just put the headgasket on the block, then slide the GE dowel's in. This is how I do it everytime.

 

to my knowledge from what i read was if you had your head redrilled for the 14mm dowel pin then you use an ls hg you would have to drill it bigger to fit over the dowel.

dis you swap your dowel pins to the opposite side of the head and drill them to the bigger 14mm size? or did you buy the golden eagle dowel pins that step down the size for you not to have to get it machined?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skoodles2k6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to my knowledge from what i read was if you had your head redrilled for the 14mm dowel pin then you use an ls hg you would have to drill it bigger to fit over the dowel.

dis you swap your dowel pins to the opposite side of the head and drill them to the bigger 14mm size? or did you buy the golden eagle dowel pins that step down the size for you not to have to get it machined?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just use an LS headgasket and use the GE stepped dowel pins. No modification is required.

 

sorry bambam, but don't give false infomation, because oem b18a/b hg will not work for golden eagle head gasket. Why do you think that you need to purchase dowel pins? because holes are bigger on the head... Golden eagle made dowel pins that fits ls blocks to vtec heads, thus widens the pins so its a perfect fit. Oem b18a/b head gasket has to be modded to fit golden eagle dowel pins. if you compare ls dowel pins to ge dowel pins, you will see the difference.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ls-vtec-delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry bambam, but don't give false infomation....</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow....

I dont think you're understanding what he's trying to say.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ls-vtec-delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry bambam, but don't give false infomation, because oem b18a/b hg will not work for golden eagle head gasket. Why do you think that you need to purchase dowel pins? because holes are bigger on the head... Golden eagle made dowel pins that fits ls blocks to vtec heads, thus widens the pins so its a perfect fit. Oem b18a/b head gasket has to be modded to fit golden eagle dowel pins. if you compare ls dowel pins to ge dowel pins, you will see the difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dude i dont even know where to start. bambam is somewhat a king of the ls-v,if he says it then its golden. his motors and timeslips speak for themselves
also the ge dowels are offset to fit the holes in the ls headgasket but still line the vtec head up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ls-vtec-delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sorry bambam, but don't give false infomation, because oem b18a/b hg will not work for golden eagle head gasket. Why do you think that you need to purchase dowel pins? because holes are bigger on the head... Golden eagle made dowel pins that fits ls blocks to vtec heads, thus widens the pins so its a perfect fit. Oem b18a/b head gasket has to be modded to fit golden eagle dowel pins. if you compare ls dowel pins to ge dowel pins, you will see the difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do you even have any experience building these motors? Actually don't even answer that question, because whether you do or don't, you're going to say "yes" to refrain from looking like an idiot on here.

I've built 11 LSV's using GE dowel pins with unmodified LS headgaskets. None leak. Ever. In fact, my 3 best friends ride around town with LSVs in which I've had my hand on in every aspect...from assembling to tuning.

Vtec head = 14mm dowel pin holes
LS block = 12mm dowel pin holes
GE dowel pins = 14mm stepped down to 12mm
LS headgasket = 12mm dowel pin holes

1. Lay LS headgasket onto LS block.
2. Insert 12mm side of GE dowel pin into (2) outer most headstud/bolt holes on block.
3. Install cylinder head.

I don't know what the heck you're smoking kid.

 

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I don't know what the heck you're smoking kid.</TD></TR></TABLE>
damn,i knew that was coming

 

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From another thread.....sorry had to post this.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ls-vtec-delsol &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most of why everyone convert to obd 1 is for hondata. Its the most reliable piggy back for honda, and its cheap. You should think about it too. With pre obd, you can't tune car to spec.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Search: BRE OBD0 tuning software

I use it on my OBD0 crx. Flat 13:1 AFR's at WOT, 14.7:1 at idle, and nice cruising AFR's in the 14-14.5 range. I'd say it's tuned "to spec". Oh yah...it's got this cool feature to make my CEL my shift light. Nifty huh?

It is a common misconception that you are unable to tune effectively with OBD0. The only major difference between the two are the OBD1's factory wideband o2 and OBD0's factory narrowband.

This is off subject, but just trying to prove a point. Don't turn yourself into the common Honda-tech bandwagoneer. Think for yourself.

"Please don't give false information." Don't make claims to know something, unless of course, IN FACT, you have hands on experience with the topic on hand. I will speak nothing of, nor will I ever recommend something or attempt to disprove someone else unless I have first hand experience to back up my statements.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bambam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Do you even have any experience building these motors? Actually don't even answer that question, because whether you do or don't, you're going to say "yes" to refrain from looking like an idiot on here.

I've built 11 LSV's using GE dowel pins with unmodified LS headgaskets. None leak. Ever. In fact, my 3 best friends ride around town with LSVs in which I've had my hand on in every aspect...from assembling to tuning.

Vtec head = 14mm dowel pin holes
LS block = 12mm dowel pin holes
GE dowel pins = 14mm stepped down to 12mm
LS headgasket = 12mm dowel pin holes

1. Lay LS headgasket onto LS block.
2. Insert 12mm side of GE dowel pin into (2) outer most headstud/bolt holes on block.
3. Install cylinder head.

I don't know what the heck you're smoking kid.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you can't place a hg with these instructions, your f'ed.
can't get much easier than this. GE dowels + LS hg =