Alright, I'm going to be making my B16B a 1.8 using LS crank (stock) and ls rods (eagle) what pistons would I use just b16. The motor is turbo'd already so I'm looking to get 9:1 compression when I'm done down from 10.8:1.

(B16B Block is the same as GSR ITR block with b16/itr head)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bootlegcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright, I'm going to be making my B16B a 1.8 using LS crank (stock) and ls rods (eagle) what pistons would I use just b16. The motor is turbo'd already so I'm looking to get 9:1 compression when I'm done down from 10.8:1.

(B16B Block is the same as GSR ITR block with b16/itr head)</TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry but i dont think thats gonna work. stroke is too big for a 1.6 bottom end.

 

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sorry but i dont think thats gonna work. stroke is too big for a 1.6 bottom end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the b16b is the same bottom end as an itr or gsr 1.8 bottom end it uses b16a crank with longer rods to make up for the difference in stroke.

 

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sorry but i dont think thats gonna work. stroke is too big for a 1.6 bottom end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nice try though

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bootlegcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the b16b is the same bottom end as an itr or gsr 1.8 bottom end it uses b16a crank with longer rods to make up for the difference in stroke.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gibsanez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Nice try though </TD></TR></TABLE>

well put guys, guess you learn something new everyday

 

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well put guys, guess you learn something new everyday </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's basically a de-stroked ITR, with a R/S ratio higher than a B16. Kinda neat, but a little over-priced IMO

 

any help though???

 

Just buy a b20 bottom end and you wont regret it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bootlegcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any help though???</TD></TR></TABLE>

I mean if your using a ls crank and stock ls rods and you want to use stock pistons of the ls.

But in your case then just get some 9:1 je pistons. Get them for the ls block, should turn out the same shouldn't it?

Would like to know as well

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kevlar1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I mean if your using a ls crank and stock ls rods and you want to use stock pistons of the ls.

But in your case then just get some 9:1 je pistons. Get them for the ls block, should turn out the same shouldn't it?

Would like to know as well </TD></TR></TABLE>

it should. if ur gonna go with eagle rods then u have to go with an aftermarket piston. oem pistons wont mount on eagle rods. i would reccomend je though. im using eagle h-beams and je pistons on my gsr.

 

the thing that gets me is the combustion chamber is larger on a b16/itr head larger than a ls or gsr head. That's why I don't understand.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1.8L_allmotormilitia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just buy a b20 bottom end and you wont regret it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm turbo not all motor so I need something with some thicker cylinder walls allmotormilitia

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bootlegcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the thing that gets me is the combustion chamber is larger on a b16/itr head larger than a ls or gsr head. That's why I don't understand.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what dont you understand

gsr heads have quench pads for higher compression and is less prone to detonation. In the end they are all matted to 81mm blocks. the size of the combustion chamber (in general) has nothing to do with bore sizes. take a look at a v8 head, for example.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ToeJam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what dont you understand

gsr heads have quench pads for higher compression and is less prone to detonation..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong, the gsr head has better quench pads so you can run a very agressive timing map and not detonate.

BTW, the usdm gsr has 10:1 compression.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Wrong, the gsr head has better quench pads so you can run a very agressive timing map and not detonate.

BTW, the usdm gsr has 10:1 compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>


where was i wrong? if i was wrong wouldn't that make you wrong also? you just basically stated the same thing i just did... anyways, good job man!!

 

if u want stock internals you can use some p72 pistons and if you want after market choose which ever one

 

Christ *****....

try here for your answers:
https://honda-tech.com/zeroforum/16

You're not getting good replies because it's the ALL MOTOR forum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ToeJam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where was i wrong? </TD></TR></TABLE>

The gsr head quench pads were not originally designed with compression greater than the stock compression (10.1 usdm or 10.6 jdm).

If you are stating that the quench pads will aid in staving off detonation due to higher compression or agressive timing map that is correct, .



Modified by mar778c at 6:58 AM 9/20/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bootlegcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the b16b is the same bottom end as an itr or gsr 1.8 bottom end it uses b16a crank with longer rods to make up for the difference in stroke.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, it not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 401B18TEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no, it not. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The B16B uses a B18C bottom end.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 401B18TEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no, it not. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Same deck height as the b18 blocks - yes.

Same stroke as b16a - yes

Longer rods and taller pistons w/ a low wrist pin to make up compression - yes

What exactly are you arguing?


bootlegcivic: why would you want to stroke a b16b when you could just get an LS bottom end and build that to your specs? I am sure there are plenty of people that would take that unmolested b16b off your hands for a decent price.

 

Misread A TO B, my apologies

 

I'm using P30 pistons- leaving me with around 11.5-1 cr, and require no machining to fit ls rods.

 

Sorry just read the topic- didn't realize you were going turbo. Anyway bump to another stroked b16b

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 401B18TEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Misread A TO B, my apologies</TD></TR></TABLE>

At least you had the ***** to admit your error.