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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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when i put the car in gear you can wiggle the shifter almost like it in neutral it wont fall out but its really loose....i believe it is the bushing but im thinkin about a twm shortshifter and from wat ive heard the short shifter use bearings and not bushings....do u think that is the problem and would a short shifter solve it?...any good brand short shifter?
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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i'd go with a worn bushing. if you end up getting a short throw, get either a B&M or Skunk2.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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skunk 2 makes a nice short throw but use poly bushing
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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energy suspension replacement bushings are like 12 bucks.

and yes there are bushings near the shifter itself, but there are also two bushings you can replace on the shift linkage that will make it stiffer.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:58 PM
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orly?^^^


i'm going to have to buy a set of those *******
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 06:59 PM
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energy suspension end of story
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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it could also be your bitch pin, i replace my shifter with energy suspension bushings but it still felt a little lose. i took out the bitch pin and replaced with a new one, my **** dont wiggle at all now.
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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YOU NEED NEW SHIFTER BUSHINGS MAN!
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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OK, I JUST replaced the bushings with the energy suspension poly ones. When I first replaced them the shifting was REAL stiff, now my shifter moves A LOT side to side/right to left while in gear. What is this bitch pin, anyone got pics?
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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my CRX did that. All you need is new bushings.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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it's definitely not the bushings. Check out your "bitch pin" at the front of the linkage. I bet it's not all the way in.

The bushings don't have anything to do with how it moves in gear, just how the feel is when changing gears.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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What is this "bitch pin" does anybody have any pics? I have the same problem, and yes I have replaced my bushings
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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It's the only pin clearly visible on the transmission side of the linkage.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 05:01 PM
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well i'm pretty sure it is your brakes, correct me if i'm wrong
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 05:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96electronH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when i put the car in gear you can wiggle the shifter almost like it in neutral it wont fall out but its really loose</TD></TR></TABLE>
It depends on where the play is coming from. You have to get the car in the air and wiggle things around to determine where the play is. The two major weak points I've seen are the plastic collar bushings, rubber O-rings, and rubber thrust washers that make up the lover pivot joint on the bottom of the shift lever itself, and the spring pin (a.k.a. roll pin) that holds the shift linkage to the transmission shift shaft - sometimes people replace them with a bolt, which allows too much play.

Typically, the stabilizer rod bushings (the ones that Energy Suspension sells) aren't a big source of play but replacing them will firm up the shifter a small amount.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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i like the tall shifters. who makes em?
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i like the tall shifters. who makes em?</TD></TR></TABLE>

oem honda
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ ITO &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oem honda </TD></TR></TABLE>no skunk2 makes a double bend one
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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So it is a PIN not a bolt with a nut on it correct? Is it the pin that goes through the colar that fits into the tranny shifter fork shaft ?
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no skunk2 makes a double bend one</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was j/k

so why you ask in the first place
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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It's not the bushings, it's the spring pin. You can get a new spring pin from Honda for under $2 and you can punch the old one out and put the new one in with a 3" long 1/4" drive extension and a small hammer. It takes about 10 minutes including jacking and jack-stands if you don't suck at cars.

Get a diagram of the shift linkage from Honda when you pick up your spring pin and you'll understand how to get to it, where it's located and what I'm talking about.

Done.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i like the tall shifters. who makes em?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You mean the Fastline Performance Road Race shifter?



While it is an excellent shifter, it does have excess lateral play for a few reasons. Longitudinally it is tight. I am working on a solution to the lateral play in mine.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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is it bad if your shifter is loose? i find it easier to get into gear when shifting fast.
mine is pretty loose as well just like you described .
i was thinking of getting a short shifter but i see a lot of peoples look like the one above. and it sticks out like crazy. i dont want mine that tall at all. i want it lower than mine is stock.
i dont think i could install a short shifter myself so id prolly have a shop do it but still

anyone recomend one that feels nice but doesnt stick out a thousand feet like the one above?
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 06:17 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You mean the Fastline Performance Road Race shifter?



While it is an excellent shifter, it does have excess lateral play for a few reasons. Longitudinally it is tight. I am working on a solution to the lateral play in mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>yes sir! there will be more play just due to how tall the shifter is. btw is shifting precise with these?
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 06:52 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes sir! there will be more play just due to how tall the shifter is. btw is shifting precise with these?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Shifting with that shifter is an entirely new experience, it's superior to any shift i've tried. And I've had oem w/ bushings, ebay short shifter, and now I have a skunk2 dual bend.

The fastline shifter I drove was AMAZING.
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