i am sure this question may have been asked b4 but i cant find it anywhere. after reading numerous threads on this forum i have noticed that alot of people prefer na over boost, i was just wondering the advantages and disadvantages of na vs boost are? and why people prefer na rather than boost? i am still deciding wether i should build na or boost and i am not really looking for a ton of power i am just looking for a well built motor with a decent amount of power(about 270-280hp). i have a 04' rsx-s.

 

boost can be a pain in the butt but to build na for the power you want would cost the same as to go boost but im about to go boost just because im getting a little tired of na

 

wud it be worth it in the long run? i am using it as my dd so i dont want to have keep breaking the bank just to fix something? do you have problems with ur na setup?

 

NA is more reliable and there isn't a big wait for the power. But it's expensive to get over 220 whp.

 

well i was planning on a stroker kit, i/e/h, and stage 2 cams and ecu reflash to start, wud that get me over 220whp?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nahonda04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well i was planning on a stroker kit, i/e/h, and stage 2 cams and ecu reflash to start, wud that get me over 220whp?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, that will make more than 220 whp..

ive seen k20z1s pull 220+ with i/h/e/kpro/rbc/img

 

what is rbc and img, will i need to get kpro if i am going na route?

 

either route you go you need K-pro..

IMG (intake manifold gasket) usually refered to Hondata's IMG
RBC is the k20z3 (06-07 Civic SI), or EuroR Intake manifold. Excellent Gain for a cheap price.

 

wud it be a good buy to get the IM for the rsx-s with the other stuff i have, or do i just need the gasket?

 

rbc im ftw.

 

why cant i just use a reflash ecu for the setup? will it not work past a certain hp gain point?

 

go supercharger that will get you the numbers you are looking for you can go NA with intake header and exhaust and then when you have the cash you can slap on a supercharger and that will put you at about 280 whp

 

yeah but wud i have the same reliability as i wud if i went all na?

 

Proper parts, installation and tuning and your car will be just as reliable as OEM. Does not matter whether it is Turbo, Supercharger, or mild N/A

A hardcore N/A build is less reliable than going Turbo or SC for daily driving.

When people say N/A is more reliable than turbo they are referring to the standard beginner bolt on mods intake, header, exhaust and tuning. Once you start getting into the serious N/A modifications of the engine things start costing more and you car will become very rough to drive daily.

Start with the basic bolt ons before going into forced induction. Learn about your car and whats available while you do these modifications then you will have a better understanding of everything before you jump into big investments like turbo, superchargers and building your motor N/A.

Making 270-280 WHP is going to cost you alot of money N/A. Perhaps even more than going with Turbo and to say that your car would be more reliable N/A than turbo or SC at that level of modification is just untrue.

Also...this topic has been covered in almost every subforum in HT
when searching remember to search though archived content as well.

courtesy of toyomatt84

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NA is more reliable and there isn't a big wait for the power. But it's expensive to get over 220 whp.</TD></TR></TABLE> This is not true. A solid turbo set up will definately be more reliable than a heavy n/a set up. And will be twice as easy to make power, by simple upping the boost.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> This is not true. A solid turbo set up will definately be more reliable than a heavy n/a set up. And will be twice as easy to make power, by simple upping the boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is true... going to have to agree on that.

OP:
Unfortunately when you or if you go boosted route (not talkin stock here) **** starts breakin a lot faster and reliability goes down as opposed to going the N/A route. Weird but true. How many all motor 400+ hp cars have you really seen rollin around as a DD? Half to none.


Modified by risktypeS at 9:33 PM 9/19/2007

 

what about supercharger, everyone wants to go turbo, but i'm not looking to run high boost levels, i just want a decently fast car that is well built and i can use it as a dd.

 

The key difference between a turbocharger and a supercharger is its power supply. Something has to supply the power to run the air compressor. In a supercharger, there is a belt that connects directly to the engine. It gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. A turbocharger, on the other hand, gets its power from the exhaust stream. The exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor. There are tradeoffs in both systems. In theory, a turbocharger is more efficient because it is using the "wasted" energy in the exhaust stream for its power source. On the other hand, a turbocharger causes some amount of back pressure in the exhaust system and tends to provide less boost until the engine is running at higher RPMs. Superchargers are easier to install but tend to be more expensive.
With this being said, a supercharger is going to be more stress on an engine since it takes more energy from the alternator to run another belt. Either way you go, your going to need a fair amount of money, a good tune, and some know about on how to take care of your car after installing whichever set up you decide to got with.

 

you don't have to run high boost.. you can run, as a DD and depending the size of your turbo, 8-10 stock with nice gains. You could go supercharger if you wanted to also. Since you have a typeS either way you will get nice gains wether turbo or supercharger. I prefer turbo because you get more power.. just remember tho if you do go turbo you need to rightfully size that turbo for your car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The key difference between a turbocharger and a supercharger is its power supply. Something has to supply the power to run the air compressor. In a supercharger, there is a belt that connects directly to the engine. It gets its power the same way that the water pump or alternator does. A turbocharger, on the other hand, gets its power from the exhaust stream. The exhaust runs through a turbine, which in turn spins the compressor. There are tradeoffs in both systems. In theory, a turbocharger is more efficient because it is using the "wasted" energy in the exhaust stream for its power source. On the other hand, a turbocharger causes some amount of back pressure in the exhaust system and tends to provide less boost until the engine is running at higher RPMs. Superchargers are easier to install but tend to be more expensive.
With this being said, a supercharger is going to be more stress on an engine since it takes more energy from the alternator to run another belt. Either way you go, your going to need a fair amount of money, a good tune, and some know about on how to take care of your car after installing whichever set up you decide to got with.
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LMFAO love the way you copied and pasted as if you were saying something smart:

3rd paragraph down
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm

If you're going to be "smart" know your stuff or say where you got it from. Don't try to act like it was you who came up with it. Plagiarism is so high now a days. Unoriginal people

And to add on to that.. backpressure to the exhaust.. it's usually cured by bigger exhaust. That's why rule of thumb is 3' exhaust for turbo'd cars. I've seen 4 or 5' exhaust also.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nahonda04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about supercharger, everyone wants to go turbo, but i'm not looking to run high boost levels, i just want a decently fast car that is well built and i can use it as a dd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The reason why most people advice is to go with turbo is because of the potential of turbo. You can start off with low boost and if you feel that you want more power you can continue with the modification process.

The supercharger is power but thats it...thats all you get.

The real question is how much power is enough. If you have been through the modification process you will know that sometimes you feel the need for more power and will want more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nahonda04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i just want a decently fast car that is well built and i can use it as a dd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then why not just do boltons and a K-pro. A 220whp RSX is a fast car...faster than you'd think.

I don't see why people obsess over a fast daily driver when you sacrafice reliability. Not like you can use a 350whp RSX on your daily commute, and you're going to have problems with it regardless of what you think.

A proper bolt-on car will be just as reliable as it was when new, and with more HP.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Then why not just do boltons and a K-pro. A 220whp RSX is a fast car...faster than you'd think.

I don't see why people obsess over a fast daily driver when you sacrafice reliability. Not like you can use a 350whp RSX on your daily commute, and you're going to have problems with it regardless of what you think.

A proper bolt-on car will be just as reliable as it was when new, and with more HP.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aaah come on.. you've never had a 350 whp grocery getter... gets your milk and eggs back before it even thinks about losing it's cold. LOL

 

well i was gonna paste the whole page but tats the only part that applied to what he was asking smart guy. Where did i take credit for that?