Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,971
Likes: 1
From: Wisconsin
Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up
Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,127
Likes: 0
From: 540
Re: (WhiteOnRice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did you just get it? I have never seen your's. You should post a pic thread. </TD></TR></TABLE>
nah i got it last july.
i think i did..
nah i got it last july.
i think i did..
Trending Topics
I said I don't want a title!
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 11,506
Likes: 2
From: OH
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (kristina_kim)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kristina_kim »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They were never meant to be equals.
The CTR handles better, and is cheaper.
The ITR is more refined and combines luxury + speed. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The CTR and ITR have the identical wheelbase and suspension pinnings. Unless the CTR is sprung and dampened heavier, then both cars handle *identical*.
Also, a true 'Type R' does not have any luxury about it, period.
The CTR handles better, and is cheaper.
The ITR is more refined and combines luxury + speed. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The CTR and ITR have the identical wheelbase and suspension pinnings. Unless the CTR is sprung and dampened heavier, then both cars handle *identical*.
Also, a true 'Type R' does not have any luxury about it, period.
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
If a true Type-R doesn't have any luxury about it, then why did the EK9 CTR have luxury features that weren't available on the standard hatch? Type-Rs do not necessarily have to completely eliminate luxury.
The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.
The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 141
Likes: 0
From: Gainesville, Fl, USA
Re:
I think the ITR and CTR will be an ongoing battle. All I can say is that Honda built a great motor . Whether it's for performance or luxury, you will definitely enjoy the ride. You get more than what you pay for and the dependability of it all. I mean c'mon! It's a freaking HONDA!
Cool vid btw...
. Whether it's for performance or luxury, you will definitely enjoy the ride. You get more than what you pay for and the dependability of it all. I mean c'mon! It's a freaking HONDA!Cool vid btw...
I said I don't want a title!
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 11,506
Likes: 2
From: OH
Re: (kristina_kim)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kristina_kim »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If a true Type-R doesn't have any luxury about it, then why did the EK9 CTR have luxury features that weren't available on the standard hatch? Type-Rs do not necessarily have to completely eliminate luxury.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
What luxury features (that had absoloutely nothing to do with performance) did the JDM Type R's have that the non-R cars had? Because I can't think of any...
Heck, even for the american market A/C didn't come on the 97 and 98's, where all of the other trimlines had it standard.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You *sure* about that?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
What luxury features (that had absoloutely nothing to do with performance) did the JDM Type R's have that the non-R cars had? Because I can't think of any...
Heck, even for the american market A/C didn't come on the 97 and 98's, where all of the other trimlines had it standard.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You *sure* about that?
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
From: Whittier, CA, Los Angeles
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (WhiteOnRice)
A BUDDY DONT MEAN TO PUT YOUR CAR DOWN, BUT DC5'S ARE A LOT FASTER THEN A EP3!!!!!!!
I HAVE A 04' AND WHEN IT WAS STOCK I WAS TAKING OUT MY FRIENDS EP3 THAT HAD INTAKE HEADERS AND EXHAUST.........
SO EVAN THOUGH WE BOTH HAVE I-VTEC, THE EP3 HAS A LOT TO LEARN FROM THE DC5!
DONT EVER COMPARE THEM!!!!!
I HAVE A 04' AND WHEN IT WAS STOCK I WAS TAKING OUT MY FRIENDS EP3 THAT HAD INTAKE HEADERS AND EXHAUST.........
SO EVAN THOUGH WE BOTH HAVE I-VTEC, THE EP3 HAS A LOT TO LEARN FROM THE DC5!
DONT EVER COMPARE THEM!!!!!
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,117
Likes: 0
From: STACKd in WA
dude stfu and turn off caps lock. you know nothing about cars.
USDM EP3-Si and USDM DC5-S are way different then EP3-CTR and DC5-ITR.
a CTR will pwn the expletive out of our USDM DC5-S anyday, and even take a DC5-ITR.
USDM EP3-Si and USDM DC5-S are way different then EP3-CTR and DC5-ITR.
a CTR will pwn the expletive out of our USDM DC5-S anyday, and even take a DC5-ITR.
New User
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (thrty8street)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by freshjuicebox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude stfu and turn off caps lock. you know nothing about cars.
USDM EP3-Si and USDM DC5-S are way different then EP3-CTR and DC5-ITR.
a CTR will pwn the expletive out of our USDM DC5-S anyday, and even take a DC5-ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats not a fair comparison either.
R > S
k20a2 swapped EP hatch vs RSX type S would be a better comparison.
USDM EP3-Si and USDM DC5-S are way different then EP3-CTR and DC5-ITR.
a CTR will pwn the expletive out of our USDM DC5-S anyday, and even take a DC5-ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats not a fair comparison either.
R > S
k20a2 swapped EP hatch vs RSX type S would be a better comparison.
Thread Starter
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 4,971
Likes: 1
From: Wisconsin
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (WhiteOnRice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are equal when they have the same motor!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Some of you obviously missed the first post.
Some of you obviously missed the first post.
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 96,327
Likes: 37
From: Siege Perilous
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The CTR and ITR have the identical wheelbase and suspension pinnings. Unless the CTR is sprung and dampened heavier, then both cars handle *identical*.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
If everything else is equal, and I were offered a choice, I would have a slight preference for the EP3's polar moment of inertia.
The CTR and ITR have the identical wheelbase and suspension pinnings. Unless the CTR is sprung and dampened heavier, then both cars handle *identical*.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
If everything else is equal, and I were offered a choice, I would have a slight preference for the EP3's polar moment of inertia.
New User
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
From: Canada
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (WhiteOnRice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are equal when they have the same motor! http://honda-portal.com/honda-...id=27
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually the CTR motor and the ITR motor have slight differences but have the same engine code:
JDM K20A
2001-2005 Honda Civic Type-R (EP3)
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression: 11.5:1
Power: 212 hp (215 PS, 158 kW) @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 149 ft·lbf (202 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Weight: 1204 KG
2001-2006 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5)
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression: 11.5:1
Power: 217 hp (220 PS, 162 kW) @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 152 ft·lbf (206 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm
Weight: 1173 KG
Very small differences tuned specifically for each chassis.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually the CTR motor and the ITR motor have slight differences but have the same engine code:
JDM K20A
2001-2005 Honda Civic Type-R (EP3)
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression: 11.5:1
Power: 212 hp (215 PS, 158 kW) @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 149 ft·lbf (202 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Weight: 1204 KG
2001-2006 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5)
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression: 11.5:1
Power: 217 hp (220 PS, 162 kW) @ 8000 rpm
Torque: 152 ft·lbf (206 N·m) @ 7000 rpm
Redline: 8500 rpm
Weight: 1173 KG
Very small differences tuned specifically for each chassis.
Honda-Tech Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,263
Likes: 0
Re: (kristina_kim)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kristina_kim »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1llmatic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
2001-2005 Honda Civic Type-R (EP3)
Weight: 1204 KG
2001-2006 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5)
Weight: 1173 KG
</TD></TR></TABLE>
fail
The ITR is heavier. That's why it doesn't perform as well. Still very close though.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1llmatic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
2001-2005 Honda Civic Type-R (EP3)
Weight: 1204 KG
2001-2006 Honda Integra Type-R (DC5)
Weight: 1173 KG
</TD></TR></TABLE>
fail
I said I don't want a title!
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 11,506
Likes: 2
From: OH
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If everything else is equal, and I were offered a choice, I would have a slight preference for the EP3's polar moment of inertia.</TD></TR></TABLE>
On a roadcourse not sure it would matter. Autox course...maybe.
I believe the DC5 has a slightly lower cg.
If everything else is equal, and I were offered a choice, I would have a slight preference for the EP3's polar moment of inertia.
</TD></TR></TABLE>On a roadcourse not sure it would matter. Autox course...maybe.
I believe the DC5 has a slightly lower cg.
H-T Order of Merit
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 96,327
Likes: 37
From: Siege Perilous
Re: Proof: EP3/DC5 are equal and the Japanese never grow up (Todd00)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
On a roadcourse not sure it would matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You haven't been in the passenger seat with RJ driving, then. He left-foots it all the way around a track. Lunatic fringe.
And apparently the pavement only represents the "suggested" way around.
On a roadcourse not sure it would matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You haven't been in the passenger seat with RJ driving, then.
He left-foots it all the way around a track. Lunatic fringe.And apparently the pavement only represents the "suggested" way around.