I want a tighter handle for my suspension
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I want a tighter handle for my suspension
I want to tighten my handle especially the front end of my CIVIC EK. Now i have performance tein springs and kyb shocks/struts.
To stiffen my handle can i put a 6 point cusco roll cage to stiffen her up a bit and keep the back seats in the ride? I'm looking for a nice clean looking beater and am not looking to gut my car out not yet at least!
There's also sway bars and stuff but how good will the that work cause this handle is really loose right now!
To stiffen my handle can i put a 6 point cusco roll cage to stiffen her up a bit and keep the back seats in the ride? I'm looking for a nice clean looking beater and am not looking to gut my car out not yet at least!
There's also sway bars and stuff but how good will the that work cause this handle is really loose right now!
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Re: (solbrothers)
When you say loose, do you mean sloppy with lots of body roll? or do you mean tailhappy?
If the former, you need to add more roll resistance, which typically comes with spring rate. Tein springs are typically very soft for the level of drop, so i wouldnt consider them a performance spring. AGX shocks, while better than stock, wont offer
you much of an improvement because if you lower the car significantly since they tend to blow with much increased spring rate or reduced travel.
In order to stiffen your suspension, get stiffer springs. H&R sports, for example, are ~50% stiffer for a similar drop, and H&R race are over twice as stiff, but lower more.
Swaybars are another very effective way to add spring rate in cornering situations while not significantly affecting the ride quality. If you have a dx/cx, an easy option is the 22mm front bar out of any 96-00 ex/hx civic. It will make the car more prone to understeer, but when added in conjunction with a stiffer aftermarket rear bar that becomes less of an issue.
If you want to put on the ex/hx front bar, you need: the bar itself, the d-brackets/bushings that mount the bar to the chasis, the endlinks, and since your front lower control arms arent prefitted for a swaybar, you would need to replace them with the lca's out of the ex/hx you get the bar from. Another option is a Suspention Techniques front bar. ST makes a package intended for cars not equipped with a front bar that includes all the mouting hardware to adapt your current lca's to accept the waybar endlink provided in the kit.
For the rear, I would recommend an ITR rear bar (also 22mm), coupled with an ASR reinforcement kit. EK chassis have some ridiculously weak rear subframes that have a tendancy to tear when subjected to the stresses caused by stiff rear bars. The ASR kit redistributes that stress so that it wont tear otu the subframe. IIRC they make a complete kit, with plate, bar, brackets and endlinks.
If by loose you meant the latter, that your car was tailhappy, Id begin with your alignment/tires. These cars are designed to understeer stock, and since you are pretty near stock, you shouldnt be having issues with oversteer, and if you are, something is messes up, like having supersticky tires up front with crappy bald all-seasons in the rear, having lots of toe out in the rear etc. If not, stiffen the front of the car and see how it is then.
BTW if your "cage" is what I think it is, its not doing jack to stiffen your car. The only cusco cages Ive seen have all the joints connected by hinge joints, so it will simply flex with the car. They also tend not to fit particularly close to the roof/pillars, effectively reducing your headroom and more impartantly, flailroom in the event of a crash. So aside from being simply a bling item as solbrothers pointed out, youve added a bright blue bar for your head to smash into when you crash. Plus, having passengers riding in the back snaked around the bars of the cage is a seriously bad idea.
If the former, you need to add more roll resistance, which typically comes with spring rate. Tein springs are typically very soft for the level of drop, so i wouldnt consider them a performance spring. AGX shocks, while better than stock, wont offer
you much of an improvement because if you lower the car significantly since they tend to blow with much increased spring rate or reduced travel.
In order to stiffen your suspension, get stiffer springs. H&R sports, for example, are ~50% stiffer for a similar drop, and H&R race are over twice as stiff, but lower more.
Swaybars are another very effective way to add spring rate in cornering situations while not significantly affecting the ride quality. If you have a dx/cx, an easy option is the 22mm front bar out of any 96-00 ex/hx civic. It will make the car more prone to understeer, but when added in conjunction with a stiffer aftermarket rear bar that becomes less of an issue.
If you want to put on the ex/hx front bar, you need: the bar itself, the d-brackets/bushings that mount the bar to the chasis, the endlinks, and since your front lower control arms arent prefitted for a swaybar, you would need to replace them with the lca's out of the ex/hx you get the bar from. Another option is a Suspention Techniques front bar. ST makes a package intended for cars not equipped with a front bar that includes all the mouting hardware to adapt your current lca's to accept the waybar endlink provided in the kit.
For the rear, I would recommend an ITR rear bar (also 22mm), coupled with an ASR reinforcement kit. EK chassis have some ridiculously weak rear subframes that have a tendancy to tear when subjected to the stresses caused by stiff rear bars. The ASR kit redistributes that stress so that it wont tear otu the subframe. IIRC they make a complete kit, with plate, bar, brackets and endlinks.
If by loose you meant the latter, that your car was tailhappy, Id begin with your alignment/tires. These cars are designed to understeer stock, and since you are pretty near stock, you shouldnt be having issues with oversteer, and if you are, something is messes up, like having supersticky tires up front with crappy bald all-seasons in the rear, having lots of toe out in the rear etc. If not, stiffen the front of the car and see how it is then.
BTW if your "cage" is what I think it is, its not doing jack to stiffen your car. The only cusco cages Ive seen have all the joints connected by hinge joints, so it will simply flex with the car. They also tend not to fit particularly close to the roof/pillars, effectively reducing your headroom and more impartantly, flailroom in the event of a crash. So aside from being simply a bling item as solbrothers pointed out, youve added a bright blue bar for your head to smash into when you crash. Plus, having passengers riding in the back snaked around the bars of the cage is a seriously bad idea.
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Re: (solbrothers)
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That is because you can't read
That is because you can't read
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Its more body roll seems like i'm about to tip over! I hate the feeling of it especially when i round corners. I have eibach prokits w/ my other civic 4dr but this one is a coupe with a h22 thus it has alot more weight in the front. Which in turn i believe makes it feel like its about to tip. The thread on the tires are at 40% so i really don't know how dat will really effect anything but I'll go w/ tires first since I need them.
OH by the way i don't own a roll cage yet i was wondering would the roll cage help w/ this situation.
OH by the way i don't own a roll cage yet i was wondering would the roll cage help w/ this situation.
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No, it was pretty poorly worded. I had to read it over a couple times before I took a stab at answering your question.
Hence why I answered your question about the cage thinking you already had one installed.
As to why your other car feels more controlled with the Eibachs over the Teins, part may be due to the added weight of the engine swap, but the Eibach springs are stiffer than the Teins, almost 25% stiffer up fromt and over 35% stiffer in the rear.
Getting stickier tires may exacerbate the situation slighty, because more grip will result in more cornering forces, causing the car to lean more before you hit the limit of adhesion.
My comment about tires before was more to the effect that your tires would all be the same, not grippy performance tires on one end and crappy all-seasons on the other. That leads to unequal grip levels between front and rear, which may change depending on the road conditions. However, since that doesnt appear to be the case, I wouldnt worry about it until they are closer to being worn out.
No, it was pretty poorly worded. I had to read it over a couple times before I took a stab at answering your question.
Hence why I answered your question about the cage thinking you already had one installed.
As to why your other car feels more controlled with the Eibachs over the Teins, part may be due to the added weight of the engine swap, but the Eibach springs are stiffer than the Teins, almost 25% stiffer up fromt and over 35% stiffer in the rear.
Getting stickier tires may exacerbate the situation slighty, because more grip will result in more cornering forces, causing the car to lean more before you hit the limit of adhesion.
My comment about tires before was more to the effect that your tires would all be the same, not grippy performance tires on one end and crappy all-seasons on the other. That leads to unequal grip levels between front and rear, which may change depending on the road conditions. However, since that doesnt appear to be the case, I wouldnt worry about it until they are closer to being worn out.
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