Hello! just installed some blox b series on a b16a engine!
it has 11:1 cp and a Blox intake manifold polished , a dc sprots header and 60mm exaust system...

We degreed the cams , and then went to the dyno but we only made 174 hp ( NOT whp) and lost 2 kgr of torgue!!!!

Comparing to the i/h/e previous setup we lost torgue and have the same hp !!!!

Whats wrong??
after we degree the cam CANT WE GO +1 , or +2 on the dyno to see if it will make more??

 

If you're asking if you can adjust the cam gears after you've degreed the cams, the answer is yes. Degreeing in the cams ensures that they are installed exactly as specified from the manufacturer, after that you can adjust the cams as needed to make whatever the best power curve is for you.

 

the problem is that right now there is ONLY LOSE of power!
any suggestions??

 

so you're saying that even with adjusting the cam gears in either direction (advance or retard) that you only lose power?

 

what was your setup before the blox cams

 

did you dyno on the same dyno as before?

 

after you guys installed the cams did you add fuel and timing or did you dyno with the same ecu program that the engine was running before the cams?

 

the engine had the header before , the 60mm exaust system and the air intakes...all tuned on the street with a laptop and then on the same dyno we had 174 hp (not WHP)

Then we put some JGE dual springs and retainers , a buddy club thin head gasket , milled the head a bit to raise cp , cam gears and the blox b cams....Also an ITR throttle body and a Blox with polished runners intake manifold with a hondata thermal gasket!
Degreed the cams and went on the dyno again (same dyno)
Worked on the laptop again adding fuel going on 13:1 AFR , vtec point around 6000rpm ! nothing!!!
We lost everywhere 2 kgr of Torgue! and same hp ! ogcourse the car could easily work to 9000rpm now and if we let it more it could give even more power but ofcourse this wasnt the point!
i really expected 200hp with this setup (170whp+)

 

any CEL's?

something must be holding you back, have you disabled the knock sensor? those go bad.

check your ignition and timing.

something is holding it back

 

what were the cam setting?

 

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x2, again are you saying that you moved them around and lost power no matter which way you adjusted them? B16a's will typically make more power, higher in the rpm range with bigger cams and not make much more torque. If your air fuel curve looks good and adjusting cam gears isn't helping, then look at your ignition timing and try adjusting the maps a little and see what that gets you. What type of tuning are you using? Hondata?

 

crome!
we degreed the cams and didnt try anything else on the dyno with the cam gears!
just tuning the ecu AFR and timing!
so should i adjust the cam gears?

 

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so should i adjust the cam gears?</TD></TR></TABLE>


yes, that is usually done when tuning for best results.

 

I pmed you on the cam setting that I have run on the blox b cams on about 8 set ups.
the blox cams make good power but you have to rev the **** out of them

 

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couldn't that be part of the problem right there? which dc sports header? USDM or JDM?
my b16 loves a 2.5" exhaust, night and day difference in performance when compared to smaller piping.

and definitely adjust the cam gears.

 

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the blox cams make good power but you have to rev the **** out of them </TD></TR></TABLE>

mind sharing?

 

the exaust system is 2.5" no cat at all.....and the header is dc 4-1 good for a b16a ......we ve had the same setup on other cars with toda b series and we had 200 hp