how long can the fill up break in oil be in our cars? im not talking about miles i mean like 6 months , 12 months? i want to keep the break in oil until %15 but i don't know if time will let me

 

This is just me thinking out loud, but that xxxx miles or 6 months which ever comes first is just a marketing gimmick to get you to change your oil more often. Does oil really degrade when it's just sitting there? What's the difference if oil is sitting in a bottle and in our engine for a year?

Just a thought

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tam N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is just me thinking out loud, but that xxxx miles or 6 months which ever comes first is just a marketing gimmick to get you to change your oil more often. Does oil really degrade when it's just sitting there? What's the difference if oil is sitting in a bottle and in our engine for a year?

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But you're comparing used oil (albeit slightly) to an unopened bottle of brand new oil.

 

it was 6 months on sep 12 and all i have on my car is 2600 miles and 60 % oil life left :/
dunno what to do. should i take it on a road trip or something? i really want to get rid of this oil before winter rolls around

 

can anyone else give me any advice?

 

cant find exactly what your looking for but Honda rec. that you just leave it in there until your first oil change..usually thats when the Orange Wrench comes in at about 15%

 

the reason they say 3months/3k miles, is because over time oil will get water condensation in it. A by product of burning gasoline is water, so you get a little past the rings, plus over time, it will get condensation. I personally wouldn't keep oil in it past 6 months, even if it's "special".

 

im stuck guys. we want to get rid of it before winter for sure tho. However lets say around 3.5 k miles will the engine be ready for full synthetic. or should i drop in some Honda genuine oil first and then at around 6k make the switch

 

Just change it out if you're so worried. Many people have said they changed their oil out if far less than 2600 miles and have had no problems. Personally I would just drive it til it hits 15% and the maintenance minder pops up. You ask similar oil questions every month.

 

i emailed my dealer and this is what they wrote back

i always prefer to leave the break in oil in untill 3k miles, per honda it is safe to follow the maint minder system we have been using this in our acura models for several years, other manufacturers have used this system for a decade,
i know how you feel i also was skeptical at first being a tech for over 15 years that is why we created the pit stop service where you can come in and have fluids checked and air pressure in your tires adjusted anytime while you wait
thanks

so is he saying to change it at 3 k?

 

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^^^guy at dealerships opinion

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^^^Honda's opinion

who do you wanna believe? I chose Honda.

 

well he just told me there is no more time frame on the oil , and that i should go by the Maintainance minder.

1 other question- do i have to get my first oil changed by the dealer or can i just to it myself?

 

there is a reason maint. minder is on your car if you actually if you looked in your manual you would see that at the first oil determined by your car. you are only suppose to change the oil not the filter. Thats honda's recomendation. i dont agree to that point but i do agree with the maint minder. It takes into consideration way more than the 3k miles or 3 months that a lot of you think to change oil or in '03 when honda told us to start putting 5k intervals when changing oil. They take into consideration average rpm, temp, distance traveled, and others. plus it also tell when to get your tires rotated, air filter replaced, diff service (on some vehicles), brake fluid, and of course cabin air filter. so just wait untill your maint. minder says to get it changed its actually honda's "the corperations" way to save the consumer money. and if you dont believe me do your research.

 

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I really hope your not talking about the oil filter... that would be retarded.

 

check your manual it might be different on the si's but from 2003 - 2006 on vehicles without maint minder honda at 5k wants you to replace ONLY the oil. not the oil filter. at 10k then you replace the oil filter. it is in the owners manual. Like i said i dont agree with it but its honda's idea to help save the cust on maint. costs.

 

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it can be there until the minder says it's time- duration in months isn't an issue, mileage is.

 

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well there ya go. we have maintenance minders

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it can be there until the minder says it's time- duration in months isn't an issue, mileage is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

X2

 

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I really hope your not talking about the oil filter... that would be retarded.
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why? honda has always suggested changing the filter at evey other oil change. unless you beat the hell out of your car, or run in a particularly abusive environment, i don't see a real reason to deviate from that unless the manual for your particular car says otherwise.

for example, http://www.redpepperracing.com...dex=1

 

most manuals after '03 say that you dont have to change the filter every time again i dont agree with this statement. older cars are different honda wasn't concerned about lower "average amount of money spent on service" per year like they are now.

 

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the link builthatch posted says the same thing for 98 civics. so apparently manuals before 03 said the same about filters

 

yah i also think oil filters should be changed every oil change.
i hate oil topics since there is no truth to anything!

some people say the molybeden (spelling) is killing our engine
others say its necessary to lubricate the engine.

who speaks the truth?

Does anyone know how i can get a hold of Honda? I don't mean a dealer i mean the main power plant that makes the car.





Modified by Bulli Kid at 4:49 PM 9/20/2007

 

uh yeah just call there cust. relations 800 number

 

I drained my 07 LX's factory fill at 1,500 miles and converted to Amsoil 0W-20. No issues and the car is doing fine. I would not leave the factory fill in your car for an open ended period of time waiting for the Oil Life Meter to fall to 15%. I believe that Honda has stated you should drain the factory fill when the Oil Life Meter reaches &lt;15%, or at 12 months, whichever comes first. I can't remember where I read that though.

Seriously though, I have never heard of a car failing due to changing the oil too frequently. IMHO if an engine's rings aren't seated by 1,500 miles then worrying about draining the factory fill is the least of your worries. Using a top shelf synthetic motor oil should not do any harm to an engine no matter how many miles it has operated.

Clean oil of the proper viscosity, with a good additive package, and good filtration cannot harm an engine. Wear particles will harm bearing surfaces if the oil filter is not doing a good job. I am not inclined to wager that a $4 oil filter will provide a year of protection on an $18K+ vehicle.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mfisher1967 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I drained my 07 LX's factory fill at 1,500 miles and converted to Amsoil 0W-20. No issues and the car is doing fine. I would not leave the factory fill in your car for an open ended period of time waiting for the Oil Life Meter to fall to 15%. I believe that Honda has stated you should drain the factory fill when the Oil Life Meter reaches &lt;15%, or at 12 months, whichever comes first. I can't remember where I read that though.

Seriously though, I have never heard of a car failing due to changing the oil too frequently. IMHO if an engine's rings aren't seated by 1,500 miles then worrying about draining the factory fill is the least of your worries. Using a top shelf synthetic motor oil should not do any harm to an engine no matter how many miles it has operated.

Clean oil of the proper viscosity, with a good additive package, and good filtration cannot harm an engine. Wear particles will harm bearing surfaces if the oil filter is not doing a good job. I am not inclined to wager that a $4 oil filter will provide a year of protection on an $18K+ vehicle. </TD></TR></TABLE>

but changing the oil too frequently is a waste of money...

about the filter, do you think honda is lying? they aren't, but you can spend the extra money if that makes you feel better lol

 

Im pretty sure that the MIL adjusts to your driving style, miles, and time between maintenance. If it says that you are at 60% then that is how much oil life you have left.

When I got my R I put 500 miles on it over a 12 month time period. Thats when we changed the break in oil. Went right to Mobil 1 and 27k miles later no problems.

Just foloow the MIL if says to change it change it, if not dont. Trust your car.