With the moton suspension is there any requirement for things like Mugen bushings? Also, I read their site but cannot find information on the drop of the car, whether or not camber kits would be needed.

Thirdly, it says on motons page that it comes assembled and the canisters are easy to install in the car. Where exactly woudl you mount the canisters or how I should say. Going to search now, but are there any pics of a ITR with moton suspensions around here?

Lastly, can this suspension be geometrically setup aka cornerweighted and tuned, or is it something you just have to set up your own because of the chambers.

Thanks guys. No I am not buying one, but I might be saving for one come spring after a few track days.

 

You are probably spending more money than you need to.

You are not going to use the full extent of the suspension capabilities anyway, unless your car is a full race car.

I think you should really research some more

All adjustable coilovers can be conerweighted.



Modified by YellowKahuna at 4:56 PM 9/13/2007

 

yea thanks, I actually just read more and realized it infact has to be tuned to be set up right. I am just trying to learn more about it thats all. Probably never going to be able to afford it, but I like getting the best of things for my caR.

My major concern was drop/camber kit/ and where you mount the external canisters.

 

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They fail to mention that the only way to mount the canisters in the car is to cut a hole in your sheet metal to get it thru. If your car isn't a full purpose track caR then this is alot of suspension for the street.

 

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yea even if it was strictly a track car I would never do that...good thing to know that now

 

Call Jim and Al at PIC and be done with it. Will suit your needs perfectly, and you don't have to wait 5 months to get them.

 

I'm only aware of one race R (self-funded, not team) using remote-reservoir Motons. That should tell you something.

Get Konis and GC coilovers and be done with it. Spend your savings on hookers and blow.

 

Some crazy *** feller I know just received a set this week, he's a twisted human being.

 

The main advantage of Motons is the large remote reservoir.

Their price/performance ratio is kinda out there for a car like an Integra.

If you have a 100K+ Porsche then they don't seem so outlandishly expensive in comparison.

There are tons of things that can make your car handle better apart from the dampers.

I recommend Showa N1 dampers

 

your sig says fully stock.. why are you getting motons?
its so sillly.. are you doing endurance racing with a stock car?
hmmm
save you money or donate it to me.
do you homework before you **** away that much money.
taking donations for my 25 hour t hill car!~

 

Moton's really are something i would only expect a well funded race team to use


another for Showa N1 powa

 

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Mine are only of the 3-way variety.

 

actually the R isnt stock at all. Its a joke sig.

How about the Tein N1's? I'm saving and definately want to upgrade the suspension. I am going to take some track days in the early spring to get some more experience and then save between now and then to upgrade the suspension.

I am looking at tein N1 and mugen bushings perhaps if I even need them with that setup.

 

Track it on stock suspension first.

 

t00tsie, t00tsie, t00tsie...

 

Spending $10,000 on a set of dampers for a street car that sees an occasional track day = LMFAO

I highly doubt anyone here can give you any real-world experience on them, unless we have a professional race car driver in the house...

You could buy 2 sets of Mugen/Showa NZs and STILL have a couple grand left over.

 

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I highly doubt anyone here can give you any real-world experience on them, unless we have a professional race car driver in the house...

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Completely agree.

Buying $10K tunable shocks that require sensors, data acquisition and a knowledgeable person to interpret the results... all for a STREET car is ridiculous. Even more so when you consider that pavement and environmental condition changes are the norm for a street driven car (you set up the shocks for each track, the tires you are using and the weather conditions). Motons are engineered to be paired with spring rates that suit a track, not comfort oriented street driving.

I can say from personal experience that the three ways take a long time to set up properly and you also need access to nitrogen to replenish the reservoir every couple days.

Do yourself a favour and track the car stock for a year to learn the dynamics of it and experience how small changes like tire air pressure can make a big difference to lap times.

There must be a better place for you to sink $10K like as part of a down payment on a house.

 

Haha Ed, Maaah Baaad.

 

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Perfect example of why I love, j00


Tootsie, you feyg, track it stock, then apply cash where you see fit.

 

I don't care for any of the JDM coilovers. Some are really good, but the tracks in Japan are a lot different than here in the states. Clayton or Mike might be able to comment on the Mugens, but to the best of my knowledge there aren't any JDM pieces made specifically for the US.

Chris, who is still on CTR shocks/springs.

 

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Maybe that why j00 get lapped. J/K...

But HAS to be a combination of that and the single cam. J/K again...

+2 Cory

 

The single cam is unbeatable, I'm the weakpoint.

 

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Definately am going to throughout the spring....then when the time is right I'm going to be upgrading.

 

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Completely agree.

Buying $10K tunable shocks that require sensors, data acquisition and a knowledgeable person to interpret the results... all for a STREET car is ridiculous. Even more so when you consider that pavement and environmental condition changes are the norm for a street driven car (you set up the shocks for each track, the tires you are using and the weather conditions). Motons are engineered to be paired with spring rates that suit a track, not comfort oriented street driving.

I can say from personal experience that the three ways take a long time to set up properly and you also need access to nitrogen to replenish the reservoir every couple days.

Do yourself a favour and track the car stock for a year to learn the dynamics of it and experience how small changes like tire air pressure can make a big difference to lap times.

There must be a better place for you to sink $10K like as part of a down payment on a house.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No I agree with you all, I was just inquiring about that suspension. I actually just put a downpayment on a house, so no worries there. I am actually sorta inthe process of buying another ITR so this R will be strictly built for track, hence why I'm putting some money into it right now. I am looking at a black R...always wanted 1 and now I can afford to have it haha

 

Im a professional race car driver with a well funded race team. They are excellent suspension if you have the appropriate calculations and knowledge of vehicle dynamics as well as course dynamics.

I wouldnt be able to tune them for the life of me, thats what my crew does for me.