How much will it be to put an RSX Type S motor into an '03 civic si?

Thanks

 

You'll get a better answer in the RSX/EP3 forum. This one is for non-Si.

 

with that said, it all depends on what parts you have so far. if you have nothing, then you're in for spending quite a bit.

 

This is a question for a shop not a forum.

 

well, from the goin rates ive been seeing, id expect to pay around 4000-4500 for the complete swap(motor, harness,tranny,etc.) and another 1500-2000 to get it professionally installed. Everything "basically" bolts right back up, so if you have the slightest bit of mechanical aptitude you could do it yourself for free

 

It won't be cheaper than $8000.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kristina_kim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It won't be cheaper than $8000.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and why not?

 

^Because she has head stuffed too far up an EM1's as--- tail pipe to open her eyes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kristina_kim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a complete $10,000 engine/tranny swap with I/H/E, you'll really show everyone who's boss!</TD></TR></TABLE>
(From the "What do you like/dislike about ep3's" thread)

 

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If he wants to just swap the USDM K20A2 200 HP motor and computer, keeping the five speed tranny, it should be cheaper than that.

 

You could do it for about $4000 yourself. I have a cheaper way though... (not stealing)

 

40 hp difference and keeping the 5 spd? It doesnt really sound worth it. For the money youll spend swapping a k20a, k20z1, or k20a2 in, you might as well put the money towards boosting. IMO.

 

I'd rather have 220 n/a whp (after mods/tune) then 275 turbo whp.

N/A &gt; boost

/opinon

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WhiteOnRice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd rather have 220 n/a whp (after mods/tune) then 275 turbo whp.

N/A &gt; boost

/opinon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you ever even been boosted with over 275 whp?

 

I don't know why this matters to you but... No I don't have a car boosting 275 whp. I've drove plenty of my friends' cars pushing 220-450 whp boosted and my friend's track k24/20 eg pushing 240 whp n/a. Of course the Evo with 450 to the ground was the most fun but the k20 eg was 10x more fun than the boosted b16 pushing 300 (also an eg). The turbo'd eg has just been giving the guy problems for the last two years.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyte-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">40 hp difference and keeping the 5 spd? It doesnt really sound worth it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is nothing wrong with the 5-speed Si tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JesSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Have you ever even been boosted with over 275 whp?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You realize All motor cars are faster then boosted cars. It takes roughly twice the power of a boosted car to equal half the power of an all motor car. Reason being is All motor cars have power instantaniously as a boosted car needs to wait for something to spool. With that being said an all motor car with 240 hp would spank a boosted car with 275 hp in the 1/4.

My preference is on turbo tho because i like the turbo feeling. Like they say turbo lag is just foreplay. lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by risktypeS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It takes roughly twice the power of a boosted car to equal half the power of an all motor car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Mathematically you are saying this (boosted) 2x=0.5x (N/A)

That sentence says it take 4x the amount of HP to compete with a N/A car. So 400hp vs 100hp is very wrong. I know what you meant: it takes double turbo power to compete with n/a power but that's also inaccurate. No way a 100whp EG Si is going to compete with a turbo'd ep3 making 200whp. Our n/a engine's are never instant power.

I hate making this guess because you can't really define it mathematically but I would say a ~170 whp n/a 4 cyl would be about even with a ~200 whp boosted 4 cyl. No way it's four times or even double.

Either way, N/A &gt; boost

 

If i knew the actual mathematical equation i would put it down but i don't, i just know it takes more power from a boosted car to come out equally or more to a N/A car. I'm not referring to stock N/A motors neither. I'm comparing a boosted built car to a built all motor. I guess i should of made my self clear.

You're comparing a stock motor to a stock motor + boost, which is not on the same spectrum here.

Here's an example of what i'm referring to...
skunk2's rsx-s fully built makes 314whp and runs 9.85 with a 140mph +
Now take a built turbo'd car like Arturbo's integra 760whp and runs 10.17 with a 143.64 mph.

it takes x2 almost x3 the power to come out equally or more.
You catch my drift here.

and all motor cars do have instantanious power compared to a turbo'd car fully built or not.


Modified by risktypeS at 8:50 AM 9/18/2007

 

You can't even compare those cars.

The skunk2 "RSX"

 

Tell me why you can't compare those two?
their HP rating has nothing to do with their chassis.

i'm not comparing what they look on the inside or the chassis.. i'm comparing fully built motor hp to a fully bult turbo'd motor hp.

A fully built boosted motor will always have x2 or more hp then a fully built All motor regardless what chassis you put it in. I could find another fully built motor and compare it to arturbo's car and then you'd find something to nit pick about that. I could compare five billion different fully built turbo'd cars to five other billion fully built N/A cars and you'd still find something to jerk around. Either way it still takes x2 almost x3's the power of a turbo'd car to reach what a fully built N/A car can do.

IF you don't agree check the HP on fully built N/A's and then compare them to a fully built turbo'd car. As i say again cuz apparently it's not sticking, <U>It takes x2 almost x3 HP for a boosted car to do or exceed what a fully built all motor car can do .</U> But if you go all motor route.. it costs twice as much for some odd reason.



Modified by risktypeS at 1:15 PM 9/18/2007

 

Sorry to be blunt like that... I got that figure off my head considering top-of-the-line bolt-ons and a total engine swap.

If you're serious, get the Type-R. The $1000 or so price increase over the Type-S is justified when you consider you're getting an additional 20 HP, an overall better motor, and an LSD with the tranny.

Remember that you can sell your current engine after you swap it, so that will absorb some of the cost. I've seen shops buy them from $800-$1200 depending on the condition and the milage. But the motor is not in high demand so don't expect much.

To be perfectly honest it's an overrated swap. The EP3 motor is still a good motor and with minor mods (bolt ons, k-pro) you will easily get 200 HP. However, if you really desire that high-revving VTEC fury then go ahead and go for the swap. The performance/price ratio is really questionable however.

 

In your mind an a2 or k20a swap is over rated but in others it's well worth it.
If he/she is truly serious about wanting more power from an A3 then fully build it other then that you're very limited to gaining power out of an A3 if you keep it stock and just add bolt ons. Even supercharging or boosting a stock A3 you still wont gain the amount of power you would out of an A2 or k20A.

yes you're going to spend a pretty penny but performance wise it's well worth the swap.

 

If you do it yourself, it should be ranging from $4K-$5K...but if your letting a shop do it then it can vary...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by risktypeS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm comparing fully built motor hp to a fully bult turbo'd motor hp. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Okay, I wasn't. (see 100 hp eg vs 200 hp ep3)

 

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I'm comparing a boosted built car to a built all motor. <U>I guess i should of made my self clear</U>.</TD></TR></TABLE>