Anyone know about the different Phillips HID's series?

Is there a 4000, 6000, or 9000 series and whats the difference? I'm looking for the one that has a purple tint.

Thank you for your help

 

6000K

 

Thanks! And are all the HIDs illegal (not DOT approved)?

 

~4300K: white, brightest actual light output
~6000K: bluish, like new bimmers, lexus, etc
anything higher: gonna look purple, gonna look stupid, gonna get you pulled like a weed.

 

Thanks ROB


Do I also have to change my fuses for the low beams from 10 to 15?

 

actually the phillips 6000k is also purple

 

Bimmers use 4300k bulbs.

 

oh well, either way. I'd never go higher that 4300K. just me.

edit: I am fairly certain (could be wrong though) the new e46 m3 has 6000k....

 

Philips 4300K HID’s (left) VS Visions 6000K HIDs (right)
I would be VERY worried about driving around with the 6000k HID's because of their purple hue. It's much more purple than ANY German vehicle with HID's. I don't know why people compare the 6000k bulbs to those vehicles.

 

most of the bimmer guys use 6000K in their HID conversions, i guess i got confused

 

all HID kits are not DOT approved and never will be since the headlight housings are not made for use with HID's. Cars that come with HID's have housing that are made for them and not halogen lights. The difference is amazing.
EX: I had JDM headlights with a aftermarket kit, then got the OEM HID JDM headlights with factory HID's and it was a day and night difference.

Also not all 6k look purple. Mine are white/blue which is the exact color of the lexus cp and the BMW 7series. And yes the Lexus cp and the 7series have difference HID's then the rest of the companies cars. They have a newer generation HID system which contains HID bulbs that use a special sodium crystal that will not go yellow as quickly. However they have not yet pushed these bulbs into other cars do to the cost. These bulbs cost a lot more. The Philips 6000k bulbs use a different sodium crystal, however its not a pure as the lexus cp and the 7 series BMW or the bulbs I have. Also the Philips has that blue tinted bar on them which also helps tint the color some.
IMO most 6000k bulbs are ricey for the mear fact that they are too purple. Its amazing how purple they are. What I wanted was a white color with as little blue as possible. I just wanted a light patteren that is totally noticable on the sides of the car for better visual aspect when going up windy roads at night.
Here's my bulbs which are rated at 6000k however are not purple as most people.
4300k is on the left and my 6k's are on the right.
DON'T ask me where I got them or how to get them. When I was in Japan I met up with a manufactor of the HID's for various companies and manufactores and he showed me these. Whats the main thing I liked about them was that they were very white looking with very little blue and NO purple. Also the light test sheet showed that with this new sodium crystal blub the lumens did not drop at all. Actually it rose slightly. However this is what led him to assume that these were not normal 6000k bulbs. He said they will not sell them as a aftermarket kit due to the price. However after hrs of begging him he sold me a set of the bulbs for $500. I needed bulbs anyway for my OEM HID JDM housings so I just got them. This place is also where I found out about the Lexus cp and the 7series using similar bulbs to these. However when I looked at the Lexus cp and the 7series here in the US they looked like normal HID's so maybe this was just for other countries? I dunno
Here's the picture:

4300k on the LEFT and my 6k on the RIGHT. Notice no purple. Just white and a little blue.
Here's the bulbs unlit:
4300k RIGHT and 6000k left. Notice not blue tinted bar, etc... Just pure sodium crystal


BTW- Here's a Philips 6000k kit on our BMW M3. Notice how the color is all purple! I don't like that so I returned it since it was too ricey looking.


Basically just stick with the normal Philips kit unless you want a ricey look with purple headlights. It's not worth the time and effort to have bright 6000k bulbs that don't look ricey.


[Modified by Rboosted717, 4:59 PM 6/16/2002]

 

I know that HIDs perform better than any ice blue/halogen bulb, but I have a question that just won't leave my mind, I'd feel a bit more comfortable in purchasing HIDs if this question was answered:

The USDM Integra has projector housings, correct? Would Phillips/Hella/etc aftermarket HIDs look and perform as good as reflector housings? I'm considering HIDs and a bit afraid that the tiny projectors would not perform or look equally to, say, a 96-00 Civic headlight housing. Rboosted717, could you elaborate on the projector vs. reflector to convince me to get HIDs?

Also, the company I'm ordering from, SPW, have "5000k HIDplus" kits that are made by Hella. I could also get Phillips, but these are what I have in mind.

Could anybody steer me in the proper direction?

 

I thought 4300K is DOT approved! I think Trevor (www.visualdynamics.com) told me so.

 

Good question.

 

This cant be true since our headlights do not have automatic leveling systems. To be legal, you would have to have that.

 

I like the 6000k, don't you guys like the slight blue tint?


[Modified by TakaIntegra, 10:51 PM 6/16/2002]

 

don't you mean like?

 

no aftermarket HID kit is DOT approved. If Trevor is saying that then he's just saying that for sales. However I highly doubt he would say that.
No HID kit can ever be legal in the US but the headlights they are getting retrofitted to are not made for HID's so glare, projection, etc... cannot be legalized.
Philips Co. doesn't even market the HID kits here in the US as with various companies for this reason. If you go the Philips US site you wont even see auto HID kits mentioned as with other companies. However some places and companies do sell them for offroad use only. If you ever go to a HID site, etc... you will notice it say's only for off road use only and to check you local laws regarding HID kits. However US law according to the Department of Transportation (DOT) says that HID kits are not legal.
The reason why is because some headlights cannot project the HID beam correctly. Even with use of the D2R style bulbs which have a black band on them to cut down light output, some headlight housing will blind on coming traffic do to glare, etc...
Here's an example of what most HID sites will say:
"The legality of HID application varies from state to state, please refer to your states regulations if Xenon or Hids are approved by the Department of Transportation. Hids otherwise are sold as show or off-road use only. "

 

Thanks for the helpful info Rboosted717!

Just get the PIAA superwhite high beam bulbs and place them in to your lowbeams
http://www.sandmracing.com/s9006.html

 

my 6000k low beams:

 

Listen to, RBoosted717! He knows what he's talking about... Legality doesn't just involve the bulb. It's a combination of the headlamp assembly (cutoff/type [D2S/R]), auto-leveling mechanisms for some vehicles, the HID capsule, and proper headlamp adjustment after installation. Also, JDM headlamp assemblies are for right-hand drive, not left-hand drive... RBoosted717, has talked about this before.

If your going to go HID aftermarket at least understand that none of it is DOT approved unless it's OEM. So just buy a car with it from the dealer if you don't want to break any laws.

 

I really like the phillips HID kit. The question is, the kit that you have does it include the phillip's balast and phillip's bulbs? The reason why I ask is cause I know a lot of places sell Phillips balasts w/ some other type brand bulb and they still call it a phillips HID kit even though the bulbs are not Phillips. Are the Zenon the same as phillips color wise....?

 

Go to the 'Best Buys' Forum here. Visualdynamics is having a Groupbuy for their Philips Ballasts/Bulbs 9006 4300k (D2S) HID kit. This kit rocks, and the price and reputable distrributor makes this buy a no brainer.

 

Actually this is not true. For OUR cars, it is true, but the statement itself is false. Sylvania sells DOT Approved HID conversions that come with new housings for older sealed beam headlights, F-150's/Expeditions, and some other applications.

 

like I said, no HID kit is legal for sale due to the housings are not made for them.
Yet you say "Sylvania sells DOT Approved HID conversions that come with new housings for older sealed beam headlights" which states that they COME WITH headlight housing which are made for HID's and tested to make them DOT approved. Theirfor what I said is true. No HID kit is legal since the housings they go in are not designed for use with HID's, however if the housing is made for HID's, then the HID kit is legal as long as it carries a DOT on the headlights.