What would you guys recommend for a '95 civic, a B18b turbo charged vs a B18c all motor? I'm interested in performance and quality. I have found that they would be about the close to the same price for me. Any recommendations would be greatly apperciated.

 

Get a good tune and you'll be faster than any street n/a b18c1.

Turbo > n/a as far as for the price and how fast you go.

 

NA sounds better, and 10K RPM > feathering 1-2-3 gears.

 

boost...well if your spending the same price on either one boost is gonna make more power. with a good tune it will be reliable.

 

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yeah, but say he's spending $4000 for either setup.

$4000 turbo b18b &gt; $4000 N/a b18c1

It would probably take exponentially more money to make the n/a b18c1 as fast as the turbo b18b.

 

So do you think with a turbo B18b i would get better torque or HP or both?

 

And dont forget that he lives in CA. Having a built B18c1 as a DD and trying to hit the same whp as you would on the turbo app for the same price is not going to happen. And all that money spend on the n/a B18c1 just to not pass smog because of all the work you put into the motor trying to get as much hp for the almighty $$$. Pick up a B18b1 complete for 800-1k and get yourself a CARB certified kit so you can BAR it.

 

hmm. so why couldn't i pass smog with a B18c but i would be able to with a B18b?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95ProjectEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And dont forget that he lives in CA. Having a built B18c1 as a DD and trying to hit the same whp as you would on the turbo app for the same price is not going to happen. And all that money spend on the n/a B18c1 just to not pass smog because of all the work you put into the motor trying to get as much hp for the almighty $$$. Pick up a B18b1 complete for 800-1k and get yourself a CARB certified kit so you can BAR it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree...i gsr would pass, but not a built one. An LS turbo would pass if you get like a greddy kit that is 50 state legal.

hrmmm how do you feel about having vtec?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike03,95civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm. so why couldn't i pass smog with a B18c but i would be able to with a B18b?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No.

However they DO make carb legal turbo kits. So get one of those, and up the boost. With a good kit and good tires you should be fast enough to wet your *****.

 

How much PSI for a turbo kit would you suggest to be as fast or faster than a B18c?

 

im sure you could do a low boost setup (6-8psi) and beat a gsr.

 

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You've got a lot of reading to do.

There are so many variables there's no magic answer for psi to horsepower.

depends on the trim of the turbo, tune, existing mods, motor, condition of the motor, elevation, intercooler size and efficiency.

So many variables make it impossible to guesswork turbo numbers.

 

i prefer na engine with dohc vtec. not a turbo or sc fan

 

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If you prefer 14 second 1/4 miles then okie dokey.

the b16 isn't exactly "hoppin" in terms of n/a dohc.

Much less any mild small displacement engine.

 

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You've got a lot of reading to do.

There are so many variables there's no magic answer for psi to horsepower.

depends on the trim of the turbo, tune, existing mods, motor, condition of the motor, elevation, intercooler size and efficiency.

So many variables make it impossible to guesswork turbo numbers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

he's right, but say you just buy a greddy kit and get a good *** tune. at like 8 psi a gsr wouldn't touch you

 

For most regular sized turbos 10-15 psi on any dohc honda motor will pwn 99% of n/a setups.

 

excuse my ignorance but what is pwn and n/a?

 

Or even get the Edelbrock kit, everyone says that its the most complete turbo kit and it is also CARB legal. From what I hear, the GT turbo it comes with is damn good. You can also look into DRAG turbo kits. I have heard they are CARB also (might not be true).

In the end its all about getting the most hp for the buck. Turbo a B18b1.

 

NA Teg with bottle 12's here.

Wasnt a B series though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95ProjectEJ1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or even get the Edelbrock kit, everyone says that its the most complete turbo kit and it is also CARB legal. From what I hear, the GT turbo it comes with is damn good. You can also look into DRAG turbo kits. I have heard they are CARB also (might not be true).

In the end its all about getting the most hp for the buck. Turbo a B18b1. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what you'll be doing, no?

 

So it sounds like turbo is the way to go.
If any of you dissagree let me know please.

So if I go turbo i would think Greddy is probably the best. what else with a kit would you say is a must have with a turbo kit?

 

B18B turbo for sure. That's what I have in my Civic @10psi and trust me, it's the way to go. Not only will your car be faster for the money, it also leaves open the option to build your engine and turn up the boost in the future when you get some more $$. If you go all motor, you will have to build it for high compression to make any kind of power, which means no turbo in the future. Once you run out of money and see that your car is still slower than nearly all turbo Civics, then you will realize that you have wasted a lot of money and time and should have gone turbo. Plus, turbo kicks ***

 

I would get an edlebrock or a turbonetics kit way before I'd get a greddy.

Remember, you need something that's carb legal. Edlebrock is the only one I know of that is. But I haven't researched it much.

 

Just looked it up at Greddy.com and they say 50 state legal. so why edlebrock or turbonetics over greddy?