When considering the weight, numbers, and prices...

H22=faster, cheaper, easier to install?

From what I've read, that seems to be the case, will someone correct me if I'm wrong?

 

The H2B is better than the C5, but just an h22 or a c5. I would go with the c5 if you can get it for a good price. Without the H2B conversion you might have problems with axle alignment and the way the motor sits. There are clean h22 swaps out there though. Just make sure you do alot of research before you go either way. Personal I would never buy a c5 because they are overpriced, but if those are your only choices then there you go.

 

My choices are endless...well I want to keep this under 4000 for the complete swap (not including labor).

I want the best bang for that buck...I really don't know where to go. My knowledge, though expanding, is not THAT vast yet. H22A looks nice, and has a good price tag on it...but why is it not a good choice?

 

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H22=faster, cheaper, easier to install?

From what I've read, that seems to be the case, will someone correct me if I'm wrong?</TD></TR></TABLE>

your wrong. lol

at the top of the forum you will find this---&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/878010

in that, you will find a list of possible swaps, and their pros and cons, thats a good place to start.

If you do a h22, then look into doing whats called an H2B conversion. Its basically a h22 mated via adaptor plate to a b series tranny. More info on that here---&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1998426 and here---&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1638988. both those are in the Hybrid forum, also a good place for you to start looking.

Hope that helps.

 

If your choices are endless, have you considered a k series swap?

 

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K-series swaps are sweet, but are very pricey for any 92-00 civic, and time consuming. If you have the time & money, then by all means go for it, but do all your research first, theres quite a bit that goes into swapping a K series to any EG/EJ/EK chassis. For a K swap, when all is said and done, your looking at around 5~7 K spent on parts and labor.

 

turbo D=best bang for buck

 

I would rather have a turbo B18b1...

 

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You might be lucky to make 250 whp on a ~$2000 setup and run 13's.

The same priced h2b will run the same with a stock motor with way more potential.

Sure it's a good bang for the buck, but most people are turboing motors with 130k+ on them.

A b18c5 will be overpriced, but you can certainly get a light car into the 13's with one.

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Of course you would

h2b


Modified by ek forever guy at 7:08 AM 9/3/2007


Modified by ek forever guy at 7:16 AM 9/3/2007

 

time vs money

more money than time, b18c5

more time than money, h22


b-series trans &gt; h-series trans.

 

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more money than time, b18c5

more time than money, h22


b-series trans &gt; h-series trans.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

whats so bad about the h22 tranny? is it just that nobody like the feel of the cables? it doesnt feel that bad i had an h22 in my prelude and it felt really good? always wondered why everybody dislikes the h22 tranny? or is it a gearing reason i thought the gears were kinda short. 3100 rpm at 60, is that short or just me...?

 

deinatly i would go with the h2b. but the h-tranny isnt that bad. i like it. just throw a type s 5th gear in it for cruising on the highway, unless you dont go highway alot

 

b18c5

 

H22 FTW. best bang for the buck. its a endless conversation. the torque of the h22 wins me over

 

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straight h22 swap requires

custom mounts
custom axles
Nothing the frame for the pass side mount
cutting the shift tunnel for the cable shifter

cable shifters suck and you can't feel what you're doing
aftermarket support for the h22 trans is crappy
h22 trans weighs more
h22 trans doesn't have nearly the amount of aftermarket support as b-series
shortest F/H trans is the euro R, which is insanely impossible to find.
Axle geometry of H22 trans in a civic sucks, expect to break lots of axles.
H22 trans is geared like a GSR trans with an LS final drive.
GSR gearing is better than h22 trans
B16/ITR gearing is better than GSR trans.

 

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straight h22 swap requires

custom mounts
custom axles
Nothing the frame for the pass side mount
cutting the shift tunnel for the cable shifter

cable shifters suck and you can't feel what you're doing
aftermarket support for the h22 trans is crappy
h22 trans weighs more
h22 trans doesn't have nearly the amount of aftermarket support as b-series
shortest F/H trans is the euro R, which is insanely impossible to find.
Axle geometry of H22 trans in a civic sucks, expect to break lots of axles.
H22 trans is geared like a GSR trans with an LS final drive.
GSR gearing is better than h22 trans
B16/ITR gearing is better than GSR trans.

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Pretty much sums it up.

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Well people bitch about the cables but that's not really the bad part - the bad part is the their length - it has tall gears.

If you go with an H2B you can reuse the trans and rear mount (only need an H22 to EG/EK driverside mount), run B series axles (which out-live H series axles for some reason), your transmission will be more durable, and you'll have faster acceleration.

An H2B w/ a B16 will run pretty damn close to an ITR - if not beat it - depending on the condition of the engine.

H2B &gt; ITR any day.

ITR &gt; standard H22.

 

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H2B uses a STOCK b-series driver side mount that connects to the custom timing belt mount that comes with the QSD & Evolution kit.



However it is reccomended to use Energy suspension inserts at the minimum. I opted to get a hasport stock dc2 replacement



Funny, hasport uses the stock dc2 mount to connect to the custom bracket for the k-series trans. I guess you could say that the h2b/eg/dc2 uses a kseries driverside mount.

 

Ah, I C, didn't know that came with the H2B kit.

 

jdm h

i recently swapped my usdm h with a jdm h in my eg... bone stock untuned took to the track and ran a 13.2.. with a 1.7 60ft...attarco motor. not bad

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BInAEF1kOfA

 

and i will add the one down side to having a h motor.. used parts are harder to come by than a b series motor...

 

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And info is harder to get.

Though they're both available if you look.

 

So is there any all together Kit i can get for a "H2B?" Or will I have to purchase the H22 complete swap and then go buy a B tranny?

 

It looks like H2b is going to run like 5 grand just on parts...am I thinking correctly?

Hmotors:

H22A 92-95 Long Block

Price: $ 1200.00 Plus shipping and handling.
Availability: In Stock

- Motor
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Injectors
- Fuel Rail
- Throttle body
- Alternator
- Distributor
- P13 ECU (Add $200)

I would need this, the kit, and the B series equipment?

 

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Maybe, depends.

You can buy an H22 long block for 1.2k from hmotors with a 100% startup warranty

You can get a long block minus a transmission locally for maybe 500-1k.

So you do that, maybe 6-800 for a B series transmission, another ~800 for the H2B kit, so that's around 3 grand tops..then ya gotta wrap it up - B series mounts, axles, linkage (common enough) and an H22 ECU or an OBD-I chipped ECU w/ an H22 basemap.

So no, it shouldn't cost 5 grand in parts - maybe 3-3.5 if you shop around for a bit and know what a good deal is opposed to getting raped.