This is whats up i am doing a h2b setup in my car. I was going to buy a jdm h22. well the other day i was at a local shop that worked a domestic cars. I was looking around and saw a h22a4 laying in the parking lot i ask the owner about it. He told me it came out of his daughters car. she ran the car low of oil and the engine started knocking. He told me he was going to take it to the scarp yard, so i gave him 50$ for it. Any way i took the head off today it looks fine but bottom end has a spun bearings. Also the cylinders and walls look very scored up. I have been reading up on h22 build. I found i cant run forged pistons with out sleeves. I have built many b-series engines but never a h22 engine. With the h22 cylinders walls are made of FRM (fiber re-enforced material). Can this be bored or honed over size, if so how much can it be bored. Also with h22a4 can i use h22 type s pistons. money is not realy a issue for me i was going to buy a jdm h22. but since i found this so cheap why not build a mild h22 engine with types pistons and some kinda of stage 2 cams. I realy guess im asking is the h22a4 good to build or is the jdm h22 the way to go.

 

The engine is screwed man!!! I'll buy it back for 60$ and even pay shipping.....Nah, seriously you are fine (h22a4 dosen't use the older h22 frm sleeves. You can run forged pistons on your block or Type S but oversized(since you will need it bored/honed)...but if something happens and you find a k20 for
100$ sitting around ill take the h22 off your hands

 

how bad is the scoring? Overboring the cylinder walls to run a stock oversized piston may not fix a cylinder wall that is out of round or scoring that is too deep. If it is not fixable then the cylinder walls will need to be resleeved. Fortunately there are cheap, iron replacement sleeves that work which are made by darton.

what bearings are spun? main or rod?

if this is an 92-95 motor, then you will need to run 96-01 rods with Type S pistons unless you get the 92-95 rods rebushed to accept pressed-in wrist pins.

the stock cylinder walls can be overbored to run oversized stock pistons. Any farther than .25 overbore and you will need to run an aftermarket piston and will need to resleeve.

both engines have the same potential.

 

easier to just reesleeve the current engine with cheap replacement sleeves(TAKE IT TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS) and use stock pistons with the new liners and u wont have any probs with the FRM stuff and looking for a good machine shop that knows how to deal with them satisfactory.

 

92-96 rods different sizes?(the difference being the 96')....Are you sayin in 96' the rods were changed to except pressed in wrist pins(even thought the engine code was still h22a1)..if so....was the b/e changed also....thanx for any info

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AllMtrRex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The engine is screwed man!!! I'll buy it back for 60$ and even pay shipping.....Nah, seriously you are fine (h22a4 dosen't use the older h22 frm sleeves. You can run forged pistons on your block or Type S but oversized(since you will need it bored/honed)...but if something happens and you find a k20 for
100$ sitting around ill take the h22 off your hands </TD></TR></TABLE>

All H22's use FRM if im not mistaken

 

oh yeah i am a machinist. the walls can be cleaned up with probably .020" I am a tool and die maker not a engine machinist. Any way i have a great machine shop near me that i can get to honed and bore. He has a very modern machine CV-616
he has given me very quality work. I ask him about the darton sleeves he told me he could do them for 500$ there is a lot of time in doing them. the other option we are talking about is this darton HONDA DRY SLEEVES WITH FLANGE. I have a cnc milling machine which i can do the install of the sleeves on. When i install them i can take it to him so he can bore a hone to what ever size i want. I have a associate degree in manual and cnc machining so i think i can do the sleeve install. Compared to tool and die making it pretty easy. I own a full machine shop i just dont have a honing machine, nor im i set up for engine machining. I could pay some one to do it all for me i just like to see what i can do

 

^^ Go for it. Sleeve that sucka!

 

i just dont think i want to do all the sleeving stuff. I was wanting a mild build maybe just type S pistons and Skunk2 S2 cams. Also where is a good place in NC that can turn my crank. I was looking for a crank and found this
http://www.autozone.com/N,1510...t.htm
Is it worth it

 

what year is the block?

 

i think it came from a 97

 

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All H22's use FRM if im not mistaken </TD></TR></TABLE>

you are not mistaken h22= FRM

 

so what is the most you can bore this motor out?

 

90+

 

your block will require this modification..

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that does not seem to be a major issue i own a machine shop so thats a peice of cake. I have started tearing my engine down to see what all i need to do to get it going. I have to over bore the stock sleeves how much can i go over on h22a4

 

Thanx for clearing that up....I was assuming the newer H22's didnt have frm sleeves....but to the OP....get in contact with RLZ in Concord....They use AEBS sleeves...awesome ppl and engine builders (phone might be busy for like 2 hours though )........are you from Sandy Ridge??? Because I live like 10 min from there...

 

any one how much can i bore the h22a4 over with stock frm walls

 

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You can't you tear the sleeves.

You have to get it re-sleeved to run pistons. Or if you're just looking for high compression some piston makers make specially coated frm pistons.

 

Get your hands on a helms manual dude.

 

sorry i will no longer post on honda-tech question since i get a ###hole answers
and i tried to figure out what tolerance shaft-play for my gt35r turbo on my fully built gsr, then i noticed my 1mm over valves where over honda tolerances. then i got to look even closer and noticed that i have to much piston to wall clearance. THEN I REALIZED SOME THING I WAS NOT BUILDING A HELMS ENGINE I WAS BUILDING TURBO GSR ENGINE.I bet the reason mgags7 told me to get a helms manual was because you dont know the different from .001 .010 and .100
I get on here and post because i want to other peoples idea and see what ppl have tried not to get look in a helms manual
and if i missed spell something i really dont care because im not a spelling bee champ nor a gramer pro
But i can work on cars. build engines and i mean do all the machine work not just assemble it

 

acting like a e-thug is not going to get you anywhere mr. spelling bee champ..

 

i am not acting i got a smart### remark here i will prove my point. i have a b16 i have been running for 10K miles with 82mm piston stock sleeves read what came out of helms manual i high lighted it in red
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then i turn the page and read this (red high light)
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Now what if i would have done like HELMS manual said for me to do
someone i figure on a allmotor forum has bored there h22 over stock bore used some type of honda pistons or after market pistons. It may have worked or it may of not. I just want to know what have ppl done to the stock block on a h22