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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Ok, so my car still needs a driver's side hub, but I left it loose yesterday so I could move my rex out of the garage to work on my hatch. It rolled forward and back fine, but as soon as I started turning, it would be as if I was riding the brakes. My question is, how would I tell what kind of axles are on the car without comparing side by side with another set? I know they are supposed to be 90-91 axles. I'm trying to remember what the previous owner said about the axles, but I think he said 90-93 is what he installed. Aren't 90-91/92-93 different? Anyways, would wrong sized axles do that? Or could it just still be that hub? Anyways, going to the junkyard tomorrow, I can just rip a hub off any 5-spd ef right? Or does it have to be a CRX only? Let me know thanks.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Bump still need help!
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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what motor are you running if single cam all should be the same length.. b series with abs are different..from my veiw... oh yeah check your hub if you didnt you said it might be but you didnt respond back if you checked it or not...and you said when turning it feels like your riding the brakes..what do you mean is there a grinding noise when turning??
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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Oh, sorry. B16, obd0. The motor was installed by the previous owner, but it had bad resistor box, injectors, and wire harness. So I changed everything and it started right up, problem was, the first time I tightened the axle nuts, and jumped in the car for a test drive, the car wouldn't move. Felt like the ebrake was still up. So checked that, it was ok, jacked up the car and tried spinning the tires...they didn't move. Loosened the axle nuts, and they were free! Anyways, pulled apart the hub assembly, inspected the hub and guess what...both have a bearing(?) on them that spins....but driver's side did not spin. Would not move at all. That's why I figured the hub was bad...

Anyways, the car rolls, but it grinds, then when turning, it is like pressing the brakes, the car WANTS to stop, me giving it more gas and less clutch won't let that happen. But YES there is grinding, although I don't know from which side 'cuz the car has a straight pipe into an aftermarket muffler (LOUD).

That's why I asked the question about the axles, 'cuz I'm figuring if they are grinding, they may not be the right ones...could it be something else? They seem to sit all the way into the transmission as they should, but they do stick out of the hub side a little more than normal (I think), which is why I think they are the wrong ones. May just be how it is with this swap/car though. HELP? Lol..
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:20 PM
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provide photos my friend! take shots of each hub and axles.. the bearings in the driver hub must be f...up
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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Yeah i would say wheel bearings before fucked up axels...

Also theyre probably the axles from a 90-93 teg, thats what the other guy said i would imagine.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by socalrex88 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">provide photos my friend! take shots of each hub and axles.. the bearings in the driver hub must be f...up </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll get some pictures later on tonight and post them up either late late tonight, or in the am. Yea I'm assuming that is what the grinding noise is, but doesn't explain why when I turn the car feels like I'm pressing the brakes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bobjohnson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah i would say wheel bearings before fucked up axels...

Also theyre probably the axles from a 90-93 teg, thats what the other guy said i would imagine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Is there a way to tell if the wheel bearings are bad? They both (2 rings per side) spin freely and have enough grease on them. Some of the bearings (*****) fall out when the axle is not in (they don't fall out when removing the axles, they just fall out if the hub assembly is impacted or hit), but they go back in with no problem.
Aren't the 90-91 different from the 92-93 axles? There's a write up on here somewhere that states the axles that are needed for the 88-91 b16a swap are from a 90-91 integra.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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are you talking about the bearings inside the cv boot of the axles?? or the hub? well regardless the bearings should be stuck on and shouldnt be able to fall out. if this is the problem id just get some new knuckles from a crx si or DA.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 06:41 PM
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The bearings inside the hub. The bearings inside (which completely crossed my mind) shouldn't be bad, because they are brand new axles...per the previous owner's words...any way to check if the bearings are still good without messing anything up? I'm gonna take some pics tonight, if there are any markings on the axles, I will be sure to include those as well so maybe someone can tell me if the axles are the wrong ones. Thanks everyone!!
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 09:38 PM
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Ok, so went to work on my hatch where my rex is located and forgot the camera, and I was too lazy to drive back to my house to get it. So I should have pics up tomorrow morning/afternoon.

Anyone notice I'm kinda putting this project off? Lol...

Frankly, I'm frustrated, getting it in non-running condition...replacing resistor box, injectors, harness, and now the front suspension needs replacing...previous owner didn't tell me all that. I figured once I get it running, it will be ready to go...but nope...anyways, I'm just discouraged 'cuz I really don't know what the hell the problem is...

'91 CRX hubs...ftl...
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 12:17 PM
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lazy azz ****! "we" are trying to help you son! so get bacc on it and show us some progress!
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 01:58 PM
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Lol, and I appreciate it. On top of my laziness, it's also been like 100+ degrees the last couple of days...KILLER!! But I'm about to step out of my house and head over to work on the car and take some pictures. I should have pics of in a couple of hours, the sooner the better I guess...lol

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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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have the dust rings been removed from the hub/axles?

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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 12:28 AM
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Yes, also known as the knuckle rings right?

Oh, I got some pictures, but they are doing maintenance on PhotoBucket right now. So as soon as they finish, I will post up the pics.

Also, I don't think the axles are brand new...they don't really look like it, but they were sitting for 6 months untouched/unmoved...I got some pics of the boots/axles.

Also on the boot of the axle there was a number...BT-24. Anyone know what thats for? Boot part number? Could it determine what kind of axles these are?
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Nevermind about the BT-24 number...it's the part number for the Boot. Took all of 10 seconds to google it lol.
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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Ok, the side that has the bad hub, driver's side, is the side grinding. The passenger side spins with normal noise from brake pads rubbing on rotors. But no other weird grinding noises coming from that side. Driver's side does not spin as well, and will hardly move when the wheel is turned all the way to the left...didn't try turning the wheel the other way, and I didn't check the passenger side...will do that this afternoon.

Ok, so photobucket is taking too long on their maintenance, so I went ahead and just used imageshack. Here are the pics, untouched, just resized. I also got a part number, but I'm pretty sure it's for the boot: BT-24. Maybe someone can match it with what axles these boots are used for (although I'm sure they are prolly universal for b-series axles...).

Onto the PICS!

This is to show how far down the axle nut goes (pretty tight, but I don't think it was fully tightened, just a few turns of a 1/2 ratchet) Sorry for the horrible pic, lighting was bad so the camera couldn't focus right...I pulled out the light in the other pics though...

Where the axle meets the hub...Passenger side

Where the axle meets the tranny...Passenger side (Don't mind the yellow/brown fluid, it's from changing the injectors/o-rings recently)

Driver's side axle nut (pretty loose though)

Driver's side axle meeting hub...

2...

3...

4...

Intermediate Shaft Joints...

Driver's side axle meeting tranny...

Boot Part Number...BT-24
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:44 AM
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ttt
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 06:32 AM
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hmm I used 2 lefted 93 GSR non ABS axles and works find the LS one wouldnt snap in to tranny so went with the gsr ones and finally worked...
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 06:46 AM
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i notice that you have an ABS axle - is the ABS toothed ring hitting the knuckle? - you should be using non-ABS axles
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i notice that you have an ABS axle - is the ABS toothed ring hitting the knuckle? - you should be using non-ABS axles</TD></TR></TABLE>
No it doesn't touch at all. Just out there by itself...I forgot that the ABS has that tooth thing...was wondering what the hell that was for...I should've remember from my GSR...Not good with axles and whatnot. Maybe it's the axles...

Did the JDM CRX SIR's come with ABS? Maybe these are the axles from the engine, which won't work? I don't know...like I said, the previous owner said he used integra axles...but did the DA's come with ABS?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx-b16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm I used 2 lefted 93 GSR non ABS axles and works find the LS one wouldnt snap in to tranny so went with the gsr ones and finally worked...</TD></TR></TABLE>
2 lefted? You mean the interemediate shaft and the axle? Or both sides were the gsr axles?
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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oh course jdm crx came with ABS they came with power mirrors and doors and windows that ***** got same **** a 99 si has LOL but our rexs dont got that shyt....stick with NONE ABS...
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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Ok for reference ('cuz I am assuming the axles are wrong due to the fact that they are ABS), the axles do seem longer...now I understand why when I turn the wheels and try to drive, the car feels like I'm pressing the brake...Does that make sense, and does that go hand in hand with having wrong axles? Can anyone confirm that the axles are what's stopping the car from moving when turning?
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