I have a B18C5 powered CRX, and have done a couple track days, and am looking to have a little bit more power so that I can go with some faster groups like Corvette club and because I simply want more power. I have I/H/E, a good suspension, good brakes, good wheels/tires, etc. I feel the easiest and best bang for the buck is cams. I realize this will involve getting a whole new valvetrain as well, that's fine. I'm looking for something in the $1200 range for some HPDE fun, so RR. I have a stock bottom end, so I wont rev past 9 any time soon. I am OBD 1 on Crome already, and re-tuning won't be a big deal.

So which cams will give me good power from say 6000-8800 RPM? In the all motor section they love the RM M22X, but I heard that most HC cars are Skunk2 Pro 2 or Toda C. What should I get?

 

I dont know what others are running. But in our H22 powered car the BrianCrower stage 2 cam made great power.

 

I to asked Brian to make me a set of proprietary bumps... made 168 at the wheels in an otherwise low compression OEM b17a

 

Not to start anything, but I heard Crower's are notorious for being made of inferior metal that breaks...
And RM were made by Crower, hence why they are frowned upon also. I'm sure 99% of cases this doesn't happen, but I'm just saying what I heard...

 

I didnt keep mine long enough to break, hence they never did. Inferior core material... hmmmmm

 

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I'll point out that both of the previous posts mentioned Brian Crower cams, not Crower. Both are good and reputable companies, but Brian has moved on from his uncle's business to focus solely on the import market. I've had two different sets of his non-VTEC cams and have been VERY pleased.

http://www.briancrower.com/

 

Alright, so how do these weigh up to the Skunk2's and Toda's?

 

once again i'll state my info is for H22.. but our H22 with the BC cams and another with the skunk 2 pro cams made VERY simular power. Less than 2 hp diffrenece at any point in the RPM (after both cars were tuned).

I will give BC my repeat buiness when I build my H1 B series motor

 

I think you'll have a hard time finding a back to back test (if one even exists). Comparing individual experiences from this forum won't tell you much unless you find two engines running the same build and tuned by the same guy.

They all make good cams.

 

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No H2 for Brian? Damn.

 

any other recommendations or comparisons?

 

Crower = junk
Brian Crower = junk
Skunk is only good for B16's

Toda is the only way to go, trust me.

 

I run pro 1's in my b18c5 with pct pistons. Making 211whp and a flat 140 tq on a RR dedicated car.

If you're thinking of going with fairly aggressive cams, you really need to bump the compression to benefit from them.

 

I was making 202hp 138tp on my jdm b18c-r motor with my homie's cams, JDM Concepts. He actually has a new cam with better profiles. They are pretty good cams made from new cores (no regrinds) and hold up extremely well. I have his original set from like 4 years ago, with 100's of drag races, and extended high rpm runs on road courses on them. As long as you have good valvetrain, you can rev to 9k all day with no worries about the bottom end. Give them a call if you want more info. Phone number in the link in my sig.

 

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Why do you say Brian Crower is junk? Basically, which cams should I get considering the Toda's are going to be way more than my $1200 budget. Aren't the Skunk2 Pro 2's basically the same as the Toda C's?

 

my vote-toda Bs with a valvetrain. but realy, i dont think putting cams in your motor is worth it.

 

Not worth putting cams in? They are the best bang for the buck hp upgrade available to me right now. Toda B's are way too expensive, what can I do for around or under $1200?

 

You should of made your thread in the all-motor forum......

 

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haha yeah.

I say you just need to reduce your car's weight by 100lbs.. . B18C5 motors are so nice stock!

Free mods unless you need to plug up a sunroof or replace glass with lexan or use a cool JDM yo airbag plug.. .

The big HP gains from cams with B series motors need more than just typical replacement parts, you need high compression components, port/polish + intake manifold and a nice exhaust header. paying 1200 for just cams/springs and retainers is not gonna get you stellar numbers.

How much NA HP are you willing to pay for down the road???

Check out this motor setup.. .

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2060341

I'm sorry and nothing against Red Head Racing, but thats way to much money into a ITR motor for only 214whp.. .

 

Check out what Realtime Racing used on their Integras with B18C5 motors. From the SCCA Vehicle Technical Sheet: "Skunk2 Stage III cams allowed (p/n: 305-05-0150) or any cam that is equal or less than 12.7mm lift intake" along with 12.5 compression ratio and ported heads. See the VTS for the Integra here:

http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.php

My dyno tuner who built and tuned hundreds of engines says Toda is the best and Skunk 2 second. He thought all the rest was junk as they often break or wear out the valves due to bad ramps on the cams. His opinion, not mine. Toda C or Skunk 2 stage III are not going to be too road friendly. Toda B as someone else said is the best choice for road/track. But as others have said, to really get the best value out of the cams, you need higher compression pistons, and that adds a lot of trouble and cost. You can probably get a better bang for your buck by getting a $1200 header and selling the one you have to pay for dyno tuning. I had a Hytech header and Mugen intake, which was very good on track. There is a lot of difference in what you get from various headers and intake. If you already have one of the very best headers (SMSP, Hytech, Toda) and intakes, then cams might be the next logical choice, as would be a properly ported head with higher compression pistons but that is going to cost a ton more than $1200. How much power are you making on a dyno now for torque and HP and what is your goal? Actually getting more power to the wheels from a B18C5 is not that easy for cheap.

 

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http://www.world-challenge.com/competitors/vts.php
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I like the way they do their spec sheets. NASA Honda Challenge should do the same.

 

the reason i say leave it stock is because its way more reliable stock. and you can spend that money doing more days. yea, having a bit more snap would be nice. but i'd rather get more seat time.
spenc....waiting for jack to chime in about how reliable his old car was/is and riun my theory

 

I already have a CompTech header, cams are the next non-stock thing to upgrade. I am ~192 whp right now with I/H/E, I'd like to be 205 whp with cams, I don't think it's too much to ask

 

I think you would be happy with a set of either the skunk2 series cams. Skunk stage 2s or the pro1s. The skunk pro 2 cams need more compression!!

 

go big or go home

thin head gasket, flat top valves, valve springs and retainers, Toda Bs.. .

Tune with crap 91.. . maybe get a race gas tune for the track. I dunno how much our lil 4 baggers gain from 100 octane though.. .