I currently have a 92 CX that I am eventually going to put a GSR motor and trans into it. Well, the dealer I work at just took a EF hatch that is in remarkable shape, that I can get very cheap. Anyways, I am buying it to use at least a daily driver, but may sell my EG hatch, so I don't have my own used car lot at my house. Just looking for opinions.

 

also, either car will be a track car and daily driver.

 

ef will be lighter, but more stuff bolts straight up to an eg.

 

What does this have to do with racing or auto-x?

What is your goal? First research the class rules for what ever your goals are and then pick the chassis.

 

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What is your goal? First research the class rules for what ever your goals are and then pick the chassis. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm guessing auto-x/track days. If that's the case, it doesn't matter which he picks... He's going to be in street mod.

 

You should pick up a copy of the latest Grassroots motorsports, there is an article about this.

 

DD OE EF, HPDE GSR EG.

 

i picked the eg chassis for the track!

 

First, I posted this last night when I was very tired, so I wasn't thinking very straight. It happens.

Second, this will be a track car/daily driver. I am not looking to have the car legal for any class. I don't like auto crossing, and my work kinda prohibits me from doing anything more than just track days at the moment.

 

I have it sitting at my desk, and have yet to flip through. Just came this week. I have to go in for a bit tomorrow, so maybe I will bring it home to read in the "office"


as of right now, I am not going to be taking the EF. I took a good look at it, and it is in fantastic shape. None of the typical Honda rust. One problem I did see is something hit the side of the car on the passenger side, right under the door. I didn't grab the keys to see how bad it is. But anyways, the price for some reason has doubled from what we own it for, and it shouldn't have. I can see maybe a hundred or two, but not double. For the price, I'll take a demo.

 

depends on what year. 88 or 89 EF yes. 90 up EF have the seat belts in the doors and they are quite a bit heavier. hence why 89 si's are the choice for Scca STS autocross class. 90 and 91 are heavier.

EG definitely has a wide variety of parts availability though.

 

2 cars consist of a used car lot? Then I must have a dealership at my place.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crazydave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You should pick up a copy of the latest Grassroots motorsports, there is an article about this.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">DD OE EF, HPDE GSR EG. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm with these two ^

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridmoments &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">depends on what year. 88 or 89 EF yes. 90 up EF have the seat belts in the doors and they are quite a bit heavier. hence why 89 si's are the choice for Scca STS autocross class. 90 and 91 are heavier.

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The difference between a 100% STS prepped 89 and a 100% 90-91 is like 25 lbs, maybe less when you figure in fuel load (90-91 doesn't need as much fuel).

People just jump on the 89 bandwagon. You can win in a 90-91 just as easily.

 

people spend alot of money for 25 lbs. they can also spend a bit of money just for an extra .5 inches of wheel width
why not start with the lightest possible. especially if there isn't any cost difference.


doesn't matter for me, i take 25 lb dumps. it's not going to help me at all. but i have a 88 dx, and the doors are defniitely much lighter then 90 or 91 door. i'd say 10 lbs from just picking them up. didn't use a scale though.
most data i've seen from nationally competitive drivers that have weight everything was 15 lb difference in the door. so your 25 lb statement would be incorrect if that is true. there would be a minimum 30 lb difference.

i just used STS as an example. he is using it on track with GSR swap. there is definitely weight difference between 88's and 89 up. there were some chasis changes after 88

 

25 lbs, 30 lbs, whatever. Point is that the 90-91 doesn't need as much fuel. 89 drivers have to run over 1/2 tank. My 91 will run on 3/8 no problem, even a touch less.

People with 89's can get right at 2000lbs in STS. I know what my 91 weighs in race trim and I stand on my statement that it is closer than you think.

 

Yeah, the 25-30# seatbelt difference isn't that big of a deal regardless of the gas...

I'm sure I weight more than most people in the class and it really isn't an issue in my mind.

Last year at nationals our car weighed in more than most other cars and that was without our 230# & 250# asses in the seat!!!!

 

All the 88-89's I've driven have huge fuel starvation problems. Haven't had any experience with 90-91. Are the tanks different?


Do EG's have any fuel starvation problems?


That being said I would still pick up a ef....beause it is an ef

Only thing I like about EG's is y0ou can get to the pump easy lol.

 

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I have never before seen a sentence, that is nothing more than acronyms, and yet is still perfectly readable.

And I agree completely. For an engine swapped non-classed car, the EG has more parts available off the shelf, making it an easier (and possibly cheaper) build.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by essex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All the 88-89's I've driven have huge fuel starvation problems. Haven't had any experience with 90-91. Are the tanks different?


Do EG's have any fuel starvation problems?


That being said I would still pick up a ef....beause it is an ef

Only thing I like about EG's is y0ou can get to the pump easy lol.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have never had any issues with starvation in my 88 or my 91.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridmoments &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">depends on what year. 88 or 89 EF yes. 90 up EF have the seat belts in the doors and they are quite a bit heavier. hence why 89 si's are the choice for Scca STS autocross class. 90 and 91 are heavier.

EG definitely has a wide variety of parts availability though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd have to agree with Todd. I had a 1991 Civic Si prepared to the rules of STS and won 40 (out of 39) autocrosses against similarly prepped 89 Civic Si. As Todd said both cars weigh almost the same since the 90-91s can run 1/8-1/4 tank with no problems whereas the 89s had to run 3/4 tank because of fuel starvation. My 91 Civic Si with a 30-35lb'ish Sparco seat with home made sliders, stock passenger seat (extra 5-10lbs), full cat back exhaust (extra 10-20lbs), 15x7" Enkei RPF1s, full tread Azenis, speakers (5lbs), and stereo (1lb - yeah I needed my toons since I drove my car to events) was 2080lbs. So figure with the lightest seat possible I could have dropped another 40-50lbs.

I wish I had the money to head down to Nationals back when I had the 91 Si. Just to see how it would have faired against the top guns.

I'm now rocking the 93 Civic Si and hopefully have it done by next year. I always thought about running the EGs in STS and wondered how it would do. It's neat to see the article written by GRM.

Does anyone remember if the article mentioned about tire cooling between runs of the 89 and the 92?

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I have never had any issues with starvation in my 88 or my 91. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I got fuel starvation once when my fuel gauge needle was touching red. I think I had 1 gallon left in the car (since I didn't bring enough fuel with me). I know the 89s had fuel problems with less than 1/2 tank, and yes the fuel tank baffles were different in each car, which makes another 1-3lb difference.

As far as fuel starvation in the 93. So far I've been good for a year at 1/8-1/4 tank.

 

My 90 Si compared to my 88std was like a night and day difference with weight and handling. They both were running the same suspension and motor. My 88std wins hands down.
My 90 si would starve on turns with 3/4 tank along with my current 88std also.

 

exactly 3/4 tank with say a high spring rate car maybe 900+ rears + r compunds

but I experienced that in both 88 and 89....3/4 tank is a lot of fuel lol.

I've driven about 4 or 5 of these and all of them have a starvation problem....and I mean it's a problem because if you don't have 3/4 tanks at least you will bog.....and well that's quite dangerous


ef would be perfect with a fuel cell lol or surge tank

 

well everyone knows you are an amazing driver.
i never stated you had to have an 89 SI to win. i just said that is what most people tend to look for.
if if found identical condition, identical mileage 89 and 91 si's for sale, same price, i'd go with the 89, and i think most autox'ers would.
will it make a difference in winning for 99.99% of drivers, NO.

 

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What he said.

I love my EF (and never much cared for the looks of the EG), but the parts interchangeability of the EG is hard to beat if that matters to you...

Both handle well and are affordable.

 

93 civic si.
so you have passenger side airbag, unlike a 1992. oh no, that 20 lbs is going to keep your from winning!
::kidding

though we removed all the passenger airbag stuff out of a 93 a week ago, it was close to 20 lbs surprisingly.