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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 01:18 AM
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I have NO idea WHY your post was locked. Seems a lot of posts lately are getting locked down----

Your idea is VERY good. I have been reading/posting here for a while, and I sometimes get tired of the "Help-need to boost for 25 PSI to gain 250HP"/"What are the best coilover setups to lower my car 6" to allow 16" wide tires", "can someone give me 50+ pix and 1000 lines to tell me how to change my oil---" etc.

I am not a tech, but have been working on my own cars for 30+ years. It would be GREAT to have people to bounce ideas off who ask more technical questions, or who are asking RE mods not "popular" with the ricer-crowd.

I have been restoring my '94 "old-school"- dependability and longevity of the finished work are primary over "what looks cool to the teenage crowd", "what is the "in" brand (for the next 6 months) of parts to buy, "How can I make it look like the ($100,000) car in the mag?

The restoration work is prime quality, but when I (very) rarely ask advice regarding technical questions the snide comments regarding "why don't you build it cool?" get really, really old.

Post a question regarding the "best" dropped suspension, and you get 2000 replies. Ask a question regarding boosting a (stock) block that will blow before it gets out of the driveway and get 2000 replies.

Ask a question as to cam-work for a nearly stock rebuild (duration and lift with input for p/p work on the heads and TB to match and probable timing advancement) and you get zero replies. Ask a question as to ideas for best piston-design related to the same cam (flat vs. domed/ probability of interference/possible shaving of the head/OEM rings vs. aftermarket in a sleeved block) and you get no replies. The only replies you get are questions as to why you aren't going to swap the engine, add boost, add turbo equipment to gain 100+ HP on a non-girdled stock-block (for about a week, until the block blows).

Recently I watched a thread develop that ran about 6 pages. The heated argument was "what's the best weight oil to run in my engine"? A valid question, but a question answered in every owner's manual and/or shop-manual.

About the same time, I posted a question regarding the fact I was going to rework the entire top-end this winter, and given I would need only stock flow, but wanted very high-quality welds, with top-quality SS used, and a replacement unit that would outlast the OEM, were there any recommendations for a new radiator?

As usual, I did ask for opinions based on EXPERIENCE with a product that had been in an engine-bay for more than 2 weeks, not based on "it looks cool", and asked for a recommendation from possible techs with heating/cooling experience. The point was I have owned the car for 13+ years, the present stock unit is starting to leak at the metal/plastic top transition, and I wanted a top-quality unit that would be the LAST radiator I would ever shell $$$ out for. I bet if I had asked "what color hoses are cool?" I would have hit the jackpot!

I got two posts. One recommended I use the same (leaking) OEM plastic/metal unit. Another suggested Fluidyne (I was already scoping this), but with no reason why the recommendation was made? Maybe I'll get the original repaired, so when I install my 20 PSI boost I can blow the hoses, radiator and engine out in the driveway! Might as well get it over with at the same time!

Bring in on! Some of us are dying of thirst out here- we are like you, we don't modify for "looks" or give a rat's *** what the homies are running. We build old-school quality that runs for a long, long time. It runs/handles tight and fast enough for the street, but we don't spend the $$$$$$ to build a car that needs a pit-crew to keep it running or for performance you would only need running 1/4's at a track.

The problem is this type of work (prime restoration) is more difficult to accomplish than bolting a bunch of E-Bay crap together. It takes study, thinking, pre-planning, patience, a lot of valuable time, sweat, a "few" well-placed !@#&^%$ words, and a little blood on the bolts sometimes.

That's the way it is, but it sure would be GREAT to be able to ask some technical questions (opinions) from an experienced tech who understands the difference between restoring a piece of art versus bolting up a lot of "in" parts to achieve what "everyone else is doing" and ending up with a "fast" car that spends a LOT of time on blocks in the driveway. Wrenchy
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:16 AM
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I assume you are referring to the ASK - A - TECHNICIAN thread?

I locked the thread.

I did for the same reason GK un-stickied the thread over a year ago.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am going to un-sticky this because it is no longer being answered by a Honda technician on a daily basis, and people are not getting the help they would expect when they see a title like "Ask A Tech."

Disappointing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The idea of the thread was good, but now there is no point in having a thread titled like that when there isn't a real tech answering the questions. Or anyone for that matter answering the questions. It's easier for people to search for their answer and if they can't find it then post the question.

Also, have you taken a look at HondaTechPro's profile? He hasn't posted since 12/22/2005

And yes, when someone doesn't follow the forum or site rules, the thread gets either locked, moved or deleted.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:53 AM
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I have to agree with wrenchy, though. there is way to many repost on cai, v.s. sri, or the best first five mods. I also would like to know more on the bass motor geometry. or how to make a real reliable motor, for either boost, or N/A applications. I know that i am know where near the most experience person hear, but hell I have seen more or less the same type of post on the myspace honda groups. I am still coming to honda tech, because it is a lot more advanced over all, but it does seem like a lot of the diy has been taken out. It almost seems like 1/4 of the people hear are to lazy to even get a book, or do some very basic test to figure out what is wrong before they come hear and post a topic on it. Yes there are some brain scratchers that come along that people need help on, but some, like turns over, but doesn't start. sorry check the basics, fuel, fire, compression. I didn't include air, but that you can tell if your dead or not.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 06:22 AM
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ok, what are we really talking about here?

are we talking about why that thread was closed or problems you see with the forum?

If you'd like to discuss how we can improve on things like reposts and things like that I'm all ears.

The Accord FAQ was something I pushed for for a while. When Dave became the new mod I sent him all my links to which he posted/locked/stickied like we discussed. Since I've become a mod I've tried to add as much as possible to that thread as well. The FAQ was something I thought would help to cut down on some of the commonly asked questions, the problem is some people don't take the time to even browse through it.

The Guide to Basic Accords was also an attempt to cut down on all the "what should I do first" threads.

I agree that there are some lazy people that just want things spoon fed to them without them having to do much leg work. But how can you make them search? How can you make people read the rules? How can you get people to list year/model and other useful info in their post to make it easier for people to give help? How can you get people to make better thread titles that will enable the search feature to work better? These are all things I see probably everyday. I first try asking people to do such and such this way and for the most part people realize what they did wrong and make sure they don't do it again, others need a little more attention.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 07:27 AM
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Yeah....

I'm with Touring, what exactly are you guys complaining about?

On ANY forum as large as HT there will ALWAYS be a flow of new people asking the same question over and over without searching.

Also, no matter how amny times you say "buy a manual" 90% of the people will not buy one.

If you can't deal with it, leave it.


And what the hell are you talking about the "DIY" has been taken out? When was the last time you looked at the Accord FAQ?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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Wrenchy,this forum is Accord specific,so many questions will be about "what type of rims.exhaust, etc...should I get" Thats the inherent nature of this forum. If you want to get really specific with technical questions about motor building then perhaps you should post your inquires in the all-motor or forced induction section of this site. There are guys in there who are masters of that trade...
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cb7-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...then perhaps you should post your inquires in the all-motor or forced induction section of this site...</TD></TR></TABLE>

don't forget about the Tech/Misc forum as well
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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yes I do agree that controlling the repost is hard, and that this is a tech/misc forum, but there is a trail period, I thought that if you didn't fallow the rules then you, your ip would be band. I think that overall you all do a bad *** job. I also do love to check out the accord faq and guide for basics for ideas on my next project.
some of my ideas
before posting a topic, a search page is brought up. after they do the search they are allowed to post a new topic if they can't find what they need.
as far as getting people to get a manual or read the accord faq, or the basics, maybe have those pages load up after the register, no that wouldn't realy work because there are plenty of people that are the civic or teg enthusist that may never look at the accord fourm.
as far as the basic info year make, you can just gusse the model being honda, or acura. but make that part of their tag, under there post like what some people already do, or on the side by the name.

thats what I got for now, if you need any help I will be more than happy.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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I know this is a bit off topic but I would like to see a technicians section added to this forum. A way for technicians to get together and talk about the things they have experienced during their careers. Maybe ask eachother very specific questions about certain jobs. I'd rather have a section dedicated to this rather than having to hope that another tech happens to stumble upon a lone technicians thread floating around a single section. Would there be any trouble with this?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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There are no techs willing to spend 24/7 answering questions for free, which is the only way all the questions would be effectively handled. The questions are unlimited, and the techs to answer them are very few, unfortunately. All you can do is ask your question, and hope you get an answer that solves the problem. That's life, deal with it.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">before posting a topic, a search page is brought up. after they do the search they are allowed to post a new topic if they can't find what they need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this has been mentioned before but nothing has really come of it. I don't know what it would take to implement this into the system but it must be too much because it hasn't been done. Other things people have suggested was to have the forum rules of the forum you are posting in to pop up when posting a new thread.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as far as getting people to get a manual or read the accord faq, or the basics, maybe have those pages load up after the register, no that wouldn't realy work because there are plenty of people that are the civic or teg enthusist that may never look at the accord fourm. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, that wouldn't work for the exact reason you stated.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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yep there is no easy answers, there gots to be some way though, just lines of codes. I'll ask my computer tech friend what he can do to help.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Other things people have suggested was to have the forum rules of the forum you are posting in to pop up when posting a new thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont know about all that...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this has been mentioned before but nothing has really come of it. I don't know what it would take to implement this into the system but it must be too much because it hasn't been done. </TD></TR></TABLE>

but that there is easy as cake TA, depending on what type of domain h-t.com is under. i suggest we have a home page inserted. and on that homepage there be Statement regarding the rules and such that yall enforce. and before registering they make a checkbox that says i consent. be leniant though, allow 5-10 posts before flaming the hell out of the newbie poster. it can say something to the extent of under your avatar needs to be the make and model, year and trim of what car you drive (most people include the powerplant they have in their posts if their topic is block related) instead of the members location, because to be honest. i don't want anyone knowing where i live nor do i care where yall live. like they say in the honda market forums..location listings attract area thieves.be leniant though, allow 5-10 posts before flaming the hell out of the newbie poster.

i know i didn't read before i dropped my first post, but really...who does unless they're TOLD to.

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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 03:54 AM
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I can pass suggestions like these on to the other mods and the admin and see what they think because it's a change that only the admin can make happen.

but IMHO, I'm not sure how much that would help. for example, when you install software on your computer, how many of you actually take the time to read the license agreement? I know I rarely read any of it, I just click "I Agree" and go on. Thats all I think would happen but I could be wrong.

The year/make/model instead of location isn't such a good ideas because many people own more than one Honda/Acura and participate in more than one forum on this site so they would need room for more than one vehicle as well as room for the motor if swapped. I think this is still best left to be put in the sig area, but thats just my opinion. Plus, look at how many people just type in whatever they want for the location, nothing would stop them from doing the same for year/make/model.

Again, I'll pass these suggestions on and we'll see what happens
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 04:55 AM
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well if not the location / year and model idea. i still think someone who knows .html should dab up a home layout, so when u type in https://honda-tech.com you get redirected to a sexy welcome page with cars and the HT logo (etc etc) it's not hard at all you just have to know the codes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there gots to be some way though, just lines of codes. I'll ask my computer tech friend what he can do to help. </TD></TR></TABLE>

he's right though..
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 01:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BLKFLSH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are no techs willing to spend 24/7 answering questions for free, which is the only way all the questions would be effectively handled. The questions are unlimited, and the techs to answer them are very few, unfortunately. All you can do is ask your question, and hope you get an answer that solves the problem. That's life, deal with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe if that George guy and some of the Mods in the past would not have been such Dick-Heads perhaps more of the better techs would have stayed around to help out ..
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 02:55 PM
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Glad to see you still around Desert,...... I mean Honda-Master.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda-Master &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Maybe if that George guy and some of the Mods in the past would not have been such Dick-Heads perhaps more of the better techs would have stayed around to help out ..</TD></TR></TABLE>



When DIY's weekend warrior's have the chance to flame, slam, and goad 20-30 year veteran Honda technicians, and the Admin stands back and says nothing in the defense of the top techs it is no wonder at all the best techs have stopped wasting their time.
However some of us do have a feeling that we might show ourselves to have socially redeeming value above and beyond some young punkass with a smart mouth hiding behind a keyboard.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondadude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">



When DIY's weekend warrior's have the chance to flame, slam, and goad 20-30 year veteran Honda technicians, and the Admin stands back and says nothing in the defense of the top techs it is no wonder at all the best techs have stopped wasting their time.
However some of us do have a feeling that we might show ourselves to have socially redeeming value above and beyond some young punkass with a smart mouth hiding behind a keyboard.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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niceness I try only to post on my own experience, and I will admit to when I am wrong. hell that is the only way I know how to learn, mine or, others experiences.
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