i test drive it for the frist time after done the swap.i didnt push it over 5000 rpm.
but it does not pull hard and in fact..i feel it is slower than my old d16z6 engine?
there is no check engine light or anything on the cluster..
werid..
or should i push it over 5000 rpm for the power to kick in?
or because my throttle cable is not all the way tighten?
i was driving at 40 mph at local streets..


Modified by crazyguy at 6:42 PM 8/11/2007


Modified by crazyguy at 8:34 PM 8/11/2007

 

its a b16, you gotta rev it for all its got.

 

do a proper break-in before you start getting on it.

b16s have no torque so there isnt going to be much of a difference at low rpm.

 

Proper break in? I'm sure it's not a new engine.

Fix your throttle cable and drive it like you stole it.

 

I was unaware that B16 had any power to begin with.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JdelMsolG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its a b16, you gotta rev it for all its got. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, its no torque monster

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was unaware that B16 had any power to begin with. </TD></TR></TABLE>
that is true as well

 

rev past 5000 and it should pull harder than your single cam

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was unaware that B16 had any power to begin with. </TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF dude..

You took the words right outta my mouth .

Seriously, teh B16 has NO ***** before VTEC. You NEED to punch it hard until VTEC engages and stay into it until the redline.

The B16 is a winder motor, it doesn't work off of torque.

The D16Z6 has about 106lb/ft tq.
The JDM B16 has about 111lb/ft tq.
The LS has about 127lb/ft tq.

As you can see, the Z6 is BARELY stronger than the Z6, and a lot less stronger than the LS (B18B1).

Read the HP equation, it's a function of torque and RPM.

HP = (Torque X RPM) / 5250

The only reason the JDM B16a makes 165 HP, is because of the REDLINE.

The intake manifold is designed with madd long runners with a puny plenum, and the cams aren't much more aggressive than the Z6 until you get into VTEC where they become vicious - the motor makes ALL its power up high. The only reason it makes that high HP number, is because it redlines at 80 gazillion RPM or whatever it is. The engine doesn't have TORQUE.

It's a Z6 with a higher redline for daily driving IMO. You need to pound it like a $2 crackwhore to get it to move anywhere, and if you did a 5000 RPM max race vs a Z6 you'd BARELY win. You need to hammer on that motor b/c it's got absolutely NO torque, and the only reason it makes HP is because of the redline - and that's also where it makes all its power.

Get some CTR cams, aftermarket intake manifold, and a widened throttle body and that'll kick it up a notch. keep in mind it needs to be tuned after that. You'll feel a nice difference with those basic bolt-ons. That and a good header/exhaust, and since the B16 doesn't make power worth of **** low end-anyways - go with a cold air intake (not a short ram intake), it'll net you more power, you don't need the throttle response b/c it won't matter much.

"Horsepower sells motor cars...but torque wins motor races"
- Carroll Shelby

If I was swapping I'd swap an LS over a GSR anyday (unless I planned on leaving the GSR 100% stock and I had no money issue) - LS has like 7lbs/ft tq. lower than the GSR, again, same deal, only difference is the trans and the redline.

 

agreed with all said but...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


If I was swapping I'd swap an LS over a GSR anyday (unless I planned on leaving the GSR 100% stock and I had no money issue) - LS has like 7lbs/ft tq. lower than the GSR, again, same deal, only difference is the trans and the redline.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

the LS torque is the same or more than the gsr stock for stock depending on your source. horspower is less of course though.

and to the op, hahahahahaha. sorry im done now. shoulda spent a few more bucks and got the gsr or at least an ls with the b16 tranny.

 

a b16 wont feel any different than a d16 until the vtec kicks in... once it does its a load of difference... i donno when the vtec kicks in on b16 though.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchnideas &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">agreed with all said but...


the LS torque is the same or more than the gsr stock for stock depending on your source. horspower is less of course though.

and to the op, hahahahahaha. sorry im done now. shoulda spent a few more bucks and got the gsr or at least an ls with the b16 tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, you're right, I just checked on that, that was my mistake.

Either way, it just backs up my point that I'd buy an LS over a GSR anyday .

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was unaware that B16 had any power to begin with. </TD></TR></TABLE>
booooooooooo hater

I'm happy with my b16, i found the only way to get a good launch is to feather the clutch instead of the throttle @ 5k so i'll be close to vtec. otherwise it sux ***.
op - *** uming it's not a new engine, rap that that **** out!!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95DxSi-R2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
booooooooooo hater

I'm happy with my b16, i found the only way to get a good launch is to feather the clutch instead of the throttle @ 5k so i'll be close to vtec. otherwise it sux ***.
op - *** uming it's not a new engine, rap that that **** out!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

You're ALWAYS (even with a D15B8) supposed to feather the clutch and the throttle for optimum launching. That's the whole basis of launching.

On an automatic you only have to feather the throttle, on a manual you have to feather both. If you just feather the clutch ur not getting an optimal launch.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95DxSi-R2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">booooooooooo hater </TD></TR></TABLE>

He's not a hater, he's a realist. Big difference

 

stop driving like a gramma
the redline is there for a reason.

 

just make it ls vtec and have a little of both worlds. torque and hp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by instrument &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stop driving like a gramma
the redline is there for a reason.
</TD></TR></TABLE>



drive it like you stole it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Either way, it just backs up my point that I'd buy an LS over a GSR anyday .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your point has nothing to do with the original topic, as does most the other posts.

To the original question, rev your motor all the way out and compare to your old setup. If it still doesn't seem as fast then something is wrong with it. A B16 is quicker no question over a Z6 and the extra power is very noticeable. The B16 has more tq, more power, higher redline, and a better tranny and will always outperform the Z6 in ever aspect. Don't listen to some of the uneducated bias opinions people post here.

 

drive it like you rented for a fairly reasonable rate and used your friends id.

D.I.L.Y.R.F.A.F.R.R.A.U.Y.F.I.D.

 

Lol, sigged

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Your point has nothing to do with the original topic, as does most the other posts.

To the original question, rev your motor all the way out and compare to your old setup. If it still doesn't seem as fast then something is wrong with it. A B16 is quicker no question over a Z6 and the extra power is very noticeable. The B16 has more tq, more power, higher redline, and a better tranny and will always outperform the Z6 in ever aspect. Don't listen to some of the uneducated bias opinions people post here. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually it has everything to do with it.

The difference in torque between a GSR and an LS is null....much like the difference between a B16 and a Z6 is null...you're not gonna feel it until you ram it through the floor board to the redline. Simple as that.

You've got a B16, that's what, 8 more lb/ft tq. than the Z6? You make more torque with your hand popping off a windshield wiper blade...my point's real ******* simple and real ******* accurate.

The only reason the B16 achieves the HP it does is because of it's RPM and the power it makes in the upper portion of the RPM zone - it does NOT make it's 170hp or whatever because it has an incredibly high torque rating - so no, daily driving it is not gonna feel any different than a Z6, 'tis is why I think it's useless as a swap unless you do a lot of racing with it, and/or you plan on boosting it. Though if it's going in your grocery getter it's useless as **** on a bull.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Though if it's going in your grocery getter it's useless as **** on a bull.

</TD></TR></TABLE>



<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actually it has everything to do with it.

The difference in torque between a GSR and an LS is null....much like the difference between a B16 and a Z6 is null...you're not gonna feel it until you ram it through the floor board to the redline. Simple as that.

You've got a B16, that's what, 8 more lb/ft tq. than the Z6? You make more torque with your hand popping off a windshield wiper blade...my point's real ******* simple and real ******* accurate.

The only reason the B16 achieves the HP it does is because of it's RPM and the power it makes in the upper portion of the RPM zone - it does NOT make it's 170hp or whatever because it has an incredibly high torque rating - so no, daily driving it is not gonna feel any different than a Z6, 'tis is why I think it's useless as a swap unless you do a lot of racing with it, and/or you plan on boosting it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>



<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by instrument &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">drive it like you rented for a fairly reasonable rate and used your friends id.

D.I.L.Y.R.F.A.F.R.R.A.U.Y.F.I.D.</TD></TR></TABLE>




Z6 for a B16?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Weel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">



drive it like you stole it</TD></TR></TABLE>

He is! Assuming you mean "drive it like you stole it" = driving carefully, obeying traffic laws, not driving stupid, and not creating lots of attention for the cops to easily spot you driving a stolen car.

Now, driving it like a rental like instrument said is a whole fun complete different story

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually it has everything to do with it.

The difference in torque between a GSR and an LS is null....much like the difference between a B16 and a Z6 is null...you're not gonna feel it until you ram it through the floor board to the redline. Simple as that.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why the hell you even bringing up TQ? Your comparing apples to oranges. Look at the motors you compare, look at the redline. Then look at the trannys they use. All the motors you spouted off in your uneducated rant all have different powerbands and redlines and all have different trannys to make the most out of them. Peak TQ numbers mean ****. Do you know what a tranny does? If so explain it to me because the only thing I think you look at is TQ numbers.

Also show me a stock Z6/Y8 powered EX coupe time. If there isn't that much of a difference with a B16 the times should be real close right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxmatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why the hell you even bringing up TQ? Your comparing apples to oranges. Look at the motors you compare, look at the redline. Then look at the trannys they use. All the motors you spouted off in your uneducated rant all have different powerbands and redlines and all have different trannys to make the most out of them. Peak TQ numbers mean ****. Do you know what a tranny does? If so explain it to me because the only thing I think you look at is TQ numbers.

Also show me a stock Z6/Y8 powered EX coupe time. If there isn't that much of a difference with a B16 the times should be real close right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if you don't mind wasting tons of gas, increased engine wear due to higher rpms, having to climb high up in rpms for any power, caring about cops around you because of the noise, and don't mind torqueless launches, then it's ok

For daily driving, I find that kind of useless.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sageuvagony &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well if you don't mind wasting tons of gas, increased engine wear due to higher rpms, having to climb high up in rpms for any power, caring about cops around you because of the noise, and don't mind torqueless launches, then it's ok

For daily driving, I find that kind of useless.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Try learning to read before you post.