my car has abs and after replacing both axles (bought from Pep Boys) the ABS light comes on. I checked and the codes were 41-42-1. i cleaned both front sensors and took negative cable off to clear codes. but when i turned car back on and did a test drive, the ABS light pops up again. Now it's throwing codes 42-1. I guess 42 is the left front wheel sensor and 1 is abs modulator. So my question is do i have abs or non abs axles? i know they're supposed to have the little teeths but how come there's no code for passenger side? both the axle looks the same where the sensor reads off from. driver side seems to have a little bit of rust but can that cause the ABS light to come on. Help please...I need to sell the car and the light has to be gone.

Edit:
**Fixed the problem. It was the axles. I changed them and yes the one for abs had the pulsar ring gear on the end. Whewww....

Driver front



Passenger front




Modified by siblue_gzer at 6:25 PM 8/11/2007

 

abs has to do with your brakes not your axles.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleen98accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">abs has to do with your brakes not your axles. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Wrong. Those are the wrong axels..

 

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wtf????

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Wrong. Those are the wrong axels..</TD></TR></TABLE>


thanks..i was thinking that maybe aftermarket abs axles looks like these, but would u happen to know why the passenger side won't throw the code?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleen98accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">abs has to do with your brakes not your axles. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Technically ABS has to do with axles and brakes. Drive axles have the pulser ring that the wheel speed senors use to monitor differences in wheel speed to determine whether or not ABS activation is necessary.

Why you are not getting a passenger side code seems to be a bit of a mystery. How are you reading your codes? The rust wouldn't cause a code.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MatterMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why you are not getting a passenger side code seems to be a bit of a mystery. How are you reading your codes? The rust wouldn't cause a code. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Here's how i read it:

I jump the service connector harness, put key in..turn ignition to 2nd click on position then ABS light comes on for about 2 seconds. it goes out for 2 seconds then 4 quick flashes..a one second pause...2 quick flashes follows. Then 2-3 second pause and i get 1 longer flash...light goes out...and then another 1 long flash...then goes out.

Here's an example (key is on 2nd click):

*FLASH* (2 Sec)................*FLASH*FLASH*FLASH*FLASH*..... *FLASH*FLASH*......................*FLASH* (Longer flash)......................*FLASH* (Longer flash).......then light goes out, no repeats.

 

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific with my question, it could have saved you some typing. I meant to ask if you were jumping the scs connector (like you are) or using a scan tool. I'm not sure if ABS wheel speed sensor codes are 1 or 2 trip DTCs, but if they are 2 trip and there is a only a temporary code for the passenger side, I'm pretty sure it would not flash the code.

Never the less, you are going to need ABS specific axles.

 

If you have ABS, you need ABS axles. I think it is a simple fix... remove the steering knuckle and insert that ring. Some axles have removable rings, but not too sure.

 

thanks for the replies guys...i'll try to go exchange these axles and i'll let u guys know what happens.

 

yea thats your problem right there...you did nothing wrong im sure you asked for the right thing...but you went to someone at pepboys......they are guaranteed to give you the wrong stuff 99% of the time

 

I happen to know that the code you recieved IS a one trip DTC. After getting up to a few miles per hour, if something is wrong, a code will set. It's a continuous monitor.

I told the parts department, "Yes, the car has ABS." I said it clear as day, was near the person so I assumed he heard me and did not check the part. Of course, that was my mistake, I assumed they weren't retarded. They gave me the axle to put in. I put it in. When I took the customers car for a drive, the ABS light came on. I instantly said, "Damnit". Because, I knew what they did. They gave me an axle for a car that DOESNT have ABS. It's cool, I charged the parts department another 1.5 hours to do the job twice.

So, I feel your pain. Except, I got paid to feel it.

 

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ownage!!

 

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wow, he cant spell clean, and he has no idea how his car works

 

so i figured out the problem. yes i had non-abs axles. and when i went to pepboys to go exchange them out, he gave me the exact ones that i had..i told him i need the one with the gears. so he sent me to another store to get them.

 

ABS axles have 'teeth' on the hub side. This is a reluctor ring. The speed sensor is a magnet, it reads the pulses that are created when the teeth on the reluctor passes over the magnet. if one wheel pulses more or less then the other, it can be considered slip. This will only trigger the ABS when the brake switch is in the 'closed' position, meaning that your on the brake pedal. Thats why ABS doesnt come on when you spin the tires under hard acceleration.

ETA: In short, ABS needs both brake signal and Axel signal to work properly. ABS does not only look for Axel signal.

 

Heres a pic of my rusty old axle, it has ABS, and you can see the teeth on the end, right by the hub

 

Off topic question but is ABS specific to the V6 model only or both 4cyl & V6?

 

both can have ABS. Its more in the trim level then the engine size. I believe that only the LX and EX came with abs

 

there is usually an ABS light in yor dash somewhere if you have it

 

^^^what he just said, look at your cluster its the easies way to tell

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hot wheels &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^what he just said, look at your cluster its the easies way to tell</TD></TR></TABLE>Maybe the same cluster, with the ABS lamp not hooked up to anything.

The way to tell is whether or not you have an ABS modulator unit installed in the engine compartment.

 

my last two hondas that have had abs, had abs rings on the axle.