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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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Can a bad battery causes no start although you try jumping it with another car? I also find it easier to start on hot days than cooler days?

The engine would just keep cranking and cranking but no start when i jump it
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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no sounds like a starter bro
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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But i hear the starter cranking though? cranking hard too. i also doubt its the starter because its less than 2 years old
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:11 PM
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could be alternator
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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all those things will cause your battery to not hold charge and also ruine the battery
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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like i said, i tried jumping the car with another car. And its not working, i doubt its the alternator
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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check the terminal connections
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:24 PM
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does the car crank w/o jumping the car? sounds like a distributor to me.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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yeah it cranks and cranks but no turnover.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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check your cap and rotor. maybe it got fauled up somehow. Other wise i would check the coil.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 10:46 PM
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i'll replace it with my replacement dizzy and see how it goes.
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Old Aug 7, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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loose terminal possibly i had that before
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 12:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah it cranks and cranks but no turnover. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Turnover = Crank

I think you mean "but no start."

If it's easier to start on hot days than cold it's probably your battery.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 12:52 AM
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subscribed.

waiting to see if changing the distributor did anything.
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:19 AM
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First check the basics, like spark, pressure to the fuel rail, compression, and correct timing I had all of these I checked every sensor with a DMM and voltage to every sensor on the engine (should be a 5 volt reference) It would turn over but not crank. I tried turning the distributor and holding the throttle wide open to deflood the engine after many failed attempts of running, and then it tried to run but when I let off the starter it would die. I t sounded like a weed eater running on full choke. I finally unbolted the exhaust right before the catalytic converter and held the throttle wide open. It started after deflooding, and shot out a cloud of black smoke. turns out the cat was clogged and I couldn't get any airflow here is a helpful site for no start diagnosis http://techauto.awardspace.com/ignition.html
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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ok so i swapped out a good dizzy but freaking still no start. i thought maybe it was corrosion thats on the battery but i clean it and still no start. i even swap out a good main relay with the old one and it still no start. man, im getting frustrated.

im thinking maybe the headgasket has something to do with this because i was getting white smoke a few month ago. but ever since i pour in a Bar Fix a HeadGasket it stopped smoking. You think compression got something to do with this?

I had a similar problem a few months back and got it check out by a mechanic and they said that it was a bad ecu ground? I checked the grounds that is on top of the t stat housing and it was hooked up properly. any other ideas?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok so i swapped out a good dizzy but freaking still no start. i thought maybe it was corrosion thats on the battery but i clean it and still no start. i even swap out a good main relay with the old one and it still no start. man, im getting frustrated.

im thinking maybe the headgasket has something to do with this because i was getting white smoke a few month ago. but ever since i pour in a Bar Fix a HeadGasket it stopped smoking. You think compression got something to do with this?

I had a similar problem a few months back and got it check out by a mechanic and they said that it was a bad ecu ground? I checked the grounds that is on top of the t stat housing and it was hooked up properly. any other ideas?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did you check for spark and fuel like I told you to in order to fix the problem or are you just gonna continue replacing random parts?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Default Re: Bad Battery causes no start? (hmtcrxsir)

well....let me narrow it down a little.

Since it "cranks and cranks", the battery, has enough charge, and is working fine. The starter is also working fine. This is assuming that it is cranking at a high enough speed.

After being cranked, your car needs 3 things to START:

Spark, Fuel/air, and compression. All in good quantities, and at the right time.
Check for each. Find out what's happening and what's not happening.

Meaning that:

your distributor has to know when to spark, your plugs have to be fired in the right order, and there has to be a spark signal.

There needs to be a good quality spark. The plugs cant be fouled or otherwise fucked up. They also must be able to get a good spark created at the distributor and thru the spark plug wires.

Your ECU needs to know when to deliver fuel to which cylinder. Meaning the ECU has to be working and the ground(s) has to be good.

There has to be fuel coming into the cylinder

There has to be air coming into the cylinder

The timing belt must not be broken or skipped enough to throw off cam timing since the valves have to open/close at the same time to get good compression to start the engine.

Compression has to be good enough to start. You'd be surprised how low of compression you can START a car on.

Burned Fuel/air has to be able to make it out of the cylinder to make room for fresh fuel and air.


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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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well im getting code 10,20, and 6. does any of this contribute to not able to get it started?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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code 10: IAT - intake air temperature sensor

code 20: Electrical load detector

code 6: ECT - water temperature sensor
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:47 PM
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Default Re: Bad Battery causes no start? (diLLy :])

can any of these problems leads to not being able to start?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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did u put the plug wires in the right order on the distributor cap? is your timing correct?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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theres spark, fuel. timing is correct at TDC. Spark plug wire is in the right firing order. what if the spark is weak could it be a bad spark plug wires that causes it not to start?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 03:39 PM
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Is there any gas in it?
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Old Aug 8, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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yes full tank. i forgot to mention that i may have a bad headgasket that may contribute to the no start?
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