My friend has offered to sell me his ITR rear sway bar for my Civic Ex. Would this cause my Civic to be tail happy? Also, he would not be giving me his mounting hardware, so what kit would I need to purchase in order for this to work? Thanks

 

Jeremy,

After reading some other posts it looks like people might be having exhaust clearance issues with such a large rear sway bar. Can anyone confirm this? I wouldn't think it would be a problem but i have never seen it done on a Civic coupe.

HTH.....

mike

 

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It does make the civic a little tail happy but its a good thing and you can dial this in with good springs and adjustable shocks. If you do any Autocross or RR at all its a very worthwhile investment. If you get the ITR bar I would highly recommend taking your car to a track to familiarize yourself with how it handles. You don't want any nasty surprises on a crowded freeway

As for reinforcement I highly recommend getting the kit from Z-10 or Beaks. The bar WILL tear out of the subframe otherwise. I know people have gotten the Comptech rear reinforcement bar to fit but its not a mod i've done myself (i have the Beaks kit)

 

Well, I am riding on Ground Control coilovers with Koni Yellows right now, so I think I am covered in the suspension category. Thanks for the info.

 

to help stabalize it better, get a larger front bar like a 26mm Si but then ud have to change out alot of stuff too like front LCAs, damper forks, endlinks, swaybar, bushings, and brackets

 

Don't change the front. That will just destroy the work you did to make it more neutral.

Run the ITR bar in the back, and just stay on the throttle through the turns to balance the car.

Warren

 

[QUOTE]to help stabalize it better, get a larger front bar like a 26mm Si but then ud have to change out alot of stuff too like front LCAs, damper forks, endlinks, swaybar, bushings, and brackets[/QUOTE

Change the front? Wouldn't that just create massive understeer?

 

Yeah, I was gonna say.

Thanks for the help.


[Modified by 96 SOHC VTEC, 4:35 PM 6/13/2002]

 

I concur that the ITR bar is your best bet for the money.

Exhaust issues? Nothing a muffler shop can't fix.

 

ITR bar is awesome, would NOT call it overkill. I personally am just not too sure about fitment on a civic, but it seems as though this had been done before.

 

so i have a question. i have itr front and rear sway bars... that i want to put on my EJ (civic ex coupe) should i also leave the front with the stock sway bar and only install the rear sway bar? i have both front and rears but i want the best balance for hanging turns. any recommendations? the cars lowered on shocks and springs btw if that matters at all.

 

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Look into the ASR subframe brace or something similar. My old coupe had the rear subframe torn out after an afternoon of fun on the twisties with an ITR rear swaybar. The Civics weren't designed with the extra bracing the 'Tegs have in that area...beef it up or suffer the consequences.

 

it is not overkill.... the bar will not tear out your subframe unless its probably corroded from all the rust....

i've had my itr swaybar for almost a year now, and for 95% of that time i've done sprinted driving on curvey and windey roads, full of pot holes and what not and i don't have a reinforcement to the sub frame

before you speak make sure you know what you are talking about, and if your subframe tore from this or any other kind of swaybar, make sure that your subframe was in perfect condition and not rusted to **** before accusing it......


i also run an itr exhaust with stock eg6 muffler, and on fast right turn i can hear muffler hit the swaybar

 

what about the front? the stock front sway bar on my EG looks almost like the ITR one... mabye a few mm difference... should i upgrade that or leave it the same?

for he rear sway bar i'm probably gonna get a rear tie bar reenforcement just to be safe.

 

in the front i run the stock eg6 sway bar which is also 22mm.. with this setup the car is very well balanced i think, with a slight tendency to get tail light when i let off the gas on a turn

 

i've got the ITR bar/ ASR combo and i absolutely love it. really buttons the car up. i've got an N1 exhaust and don't have any clearance issues even on hard corners

 

silver flash 99...what spring rates are you running for the rest of your suspension setup?

I have the gsr bar on my civic now, but I'm thinking of softening up my spring rates and going with the itr bar...so I was curious if you were running crazy stiff springs because I have seen some serious itr bar subframe issues, even on brand new gsr's , but we all auto-x and road race, so maybe that is why I have seen so many torn out subframes

 

theoretically running a bigger and stiffer bar requires stiffer springs and shocks so less stress is put on the subframe... i honestly don't know what my spring rates are... but i can find out from the guy i bought them from, also i have my koni's set almost all the way to stiff

 

In terms of balance, I've found that a 22mm rear swaybar combined with the stock EX 22mm front bar can be very close to neutral with the right spring rates and damping. As such, I see no need to upgrade the front bar, since this setup suits my needs prefectly.

As for exhaust clearance, it usually depends on how your piping is routed, how low your car is, and the body style of the car(hatches obviously have a lot less room in the rear, and the muffler is usually crammed up right next to the LCA). I have absolutely no exhaust clearance issues with my Comptech 22mm bar and 3" exhaust. This is on a sedan, but coupe clearance should be similar.



The car itself is pretty low, but not completely dumped.


In regards to subframe bracing, anything you can do to reinforce the subframe will reduce the risk of having the subframe tear out. I experienced this firsthand with my old Skunk 22mm rear bar that only used small backing plates behind the bushing mounting location. This setup was eventually sold, the subframe was rewelded with 1/8" steel plate for strength, and I picked up the Comptech setup I've been running since.

 

how many MM's is usdm ITR's Sway Bar? vs. GSR? i think i might have a GSR bar. OH yea i heard im going to need to change my rear control arms... is that true? am i gonna need ITR Rear LCA's?


Modified by wlee112 at 12:33 AM 6/20/2007

 

itr's lca's are different than eg's... the shocks are different... you either need to find lca that came from an eg with the rear bar, or get aftermarket ones

 

well the reason I am swapping out my gsr bar is so I can soften up the spring rates, but still keep a somewhat neutral/slight oversteer balance on the setup, I run GC's with kyb's (hate them!) and my spring rates are 300f and 400r I want to go to a 300 rear again, but I think with a spring rate that low I will need to reinforce the subframe

 

us gsr bar is 14mm I believe

 

oh wow... 14mm's? thats the rear sway right? my god thats still hella small though