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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:03 PM
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OK i got a d16 with a turbo i just in stalled im using a Fmu. When I Start The Car Spudders Tell 3000 Rpms Any Help please The Car Is on the rack Right Now.....
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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How's the fuel and spark? Start there.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Well I think i got the fmu installed right not to sure but i tried it both ways and it runs the same way. the spark plugs and the Good The Timing is Advanced But im not to sure on the vac line form the valve cover think that might be some thing.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Sorry About All the TypOs I Been Working On The Turbo For 10 To 12 hours And Im A little Out Of It.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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What spark plugs are you running?...wires good?

As stated above, check your fuel pressure, plugs, wires. Thats a good start.

EDIT: This might also be better answered in the FI thread.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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turbod motors eat spark plugs. so i would pull um out and check to see if there burnt. the sputtering is usually from spark plug wires.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbod motors eat spark plugs. so i would pull um out and check to see if there burnt. the sputtering is usually from spark plug wires. </TD></TR></TABLE>

As long as your running the correct plugs, you wont be going through them so quickly. For the D16z6 you need to be running a 2 step colder plug...BKR7E-11's....i believe.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">turbod motors eat spark plugs. so i would pull um out and check to see if there burnt. the sputtering is usually from spark plug wires. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know about that one chief. My eclipse was turbocharged and plug maintenance was regular...
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:58 PM
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my built and boosted gsr went through an entire set of plugs after a day at the track and i was using the correct plugs for the car but i was also making alot of hp and running race fuel. i was using ngk's using an ems tuned by jeff evans.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my built and boosted gsr went through an entire set of plugs after a day at the track and i was using the correct plugs for the car but i was also making alot of hp and running race fuel. i was using ngk's using an ems tuned by jeff evans.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't know who Jeff Evans is but if you're chewing up spark plugs and you're using colder plugs - your tune is off.

Your car shouldn't chew through plugs like that assuming they're the right kind.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:03 PM
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http://www.evans-tuning.com/ jeff evans is a really good tuner. im sure that running the leaded fuel made things worse for the plugs but i may have been using the wrong plugs. but at around 600whp i dont think it matters what plugs ur using especially if u put it down the track 8 or so times in one day.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I don't know who Jeff Evans is but if you're chewing up spark plugs and you're using colder plugs - your tune is off.

Your car shouldn't chew through plugs like that assuming they're the right kind.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my built and boosted gsr went through an entire set of plugs after a day at the track and i was using the correct plugs for the car but i was also making alot of hp and running race fuel. i was using ngk's using an ems tuned by jeff evans.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Were you being tuned WITH the race fuel?....that leaded fuel will cause you to run super rich if not tuned for it.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.evans-tuning.com/ jeff evans is a really good tuner. im sure that running the leaded fuel made things worse for the plugs but i may have been using the wrong plugs. but at around 600whp i dont think it matters what plugs ur using especially if u put it down the track 8 or so times in one day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It would matter as far as making power, and making sure you're not running too rich or lean...however, you're right...if you are putting the car down the track w/ 600whp, you will be going threw misc parts regardless.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1995Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree.

Were you being tuned WITH the race fuel?....that leaded fuel will cause you to run super rich if not tuned for it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats probably y cause i had it tuned on 94 octane for most of the session and then when that ran out i put the race fuel i had brought there. but the leaded fuel was messin with the wideband so i was probably running rich as hell.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cartune network &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thats probably y cause i had it tuned on 94 octane for most of the session and then when that ran out i put the race fuel i had brought there. but the leaded fuel was messin with the wideband so i was probably running rich as hell.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, then that would lead to my assumption of why you were going through so many plugs the way you were. Oh well...lesson learned for next time
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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OP needs to be more descriptive. Are you getting a misfire? That would be hard for me to believe because at 3k i know your power level is less than what a stock motor is making. Judging by the shitty organized, hard to read text.. Im going to go out on a limb and say this has something to do with tuning
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostedb20EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OP needs to be more descriptive. Are you getting a misfire? That would be hard for me to believe because at 3k i know your power level is less than what a stock motor is making. Judging by the shitty organized, hard to read text.. Im going to go out on a limb and say this has something to do with tuning </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont understand how you would figure it was tuning when he JUST installed this turbo setup?...He didnt even get it tuned yet

At 3K RPM's...that is enough to tell from the "sputtering" he is experiencing that it is most likely something to do with the wires or plugs.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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Well I Change The Plugs Check The Fmu And I Had one Burned up Plug I Went And Replaced All of them Checked To Make Sure i was getting fuel and after all this still the same thing.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 05:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94_SI_CIVIC_TURBO &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I Change The Plugs Check The Fmu And I Had one Burned up Plug I Went And Replaced All of them Checked To Make Sure i was getting fuel and after all this still the same thing.
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What is your fuel pressure set at?

This is what happens when you go with an FMU
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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I dont understand how you would figure it was tuning when he JUST installed this turbo setup?...He didnt even get it tuned yet

At 3K RPM's...that is enough to tell from the "sputtering" he is experiencing that it is most likely something to do with the wires or plugs. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok would you like to tell me how you mess up wires or plugs from just installing a turbo set up? I doubt he is even hitting 2 psi at 3k.

And btw FMU's are JUNK.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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Ok would you like to tell me how you mess up wires or plugs from just installing a turbo set up? I doubt he is even hitting 2 psi at 3k.

And btw FMU's are JUNK.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its irrelevant that he's not even hitting boost yet....thats not what hes saying.

He just said that the car is sputtering at 3K. He didnt say anything about when hitting boost. Not to mention, his plugs/wires could have JUST went out....who knows.

Im not calling you an idiot or anything man...just going by what the OP is telling us.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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OK i GOT new plugs and wire i checked them and im getting fire to all of them i installed my o2 senser and the only cel im getting now is map senser and now i was JUST TOLD i need a missing link im not to sure if this would fix the problem im having now but it will make one less for me and i checked my FMU and its connected right and i havent checked my fuel pressure yet but i will. if anyone has had this problem please tell me how to solve it...... And if there is a way to make a missing link so i dont have to order one and wait on it to be deliver that will be very help full to
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 08:25 PM
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yea there is a way to make a missing link.
all you need to do is goto your local auto store and get a couple of parts.
here is a link to the site.
http://www.canddsolutions.com/...1.htm
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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Alright your first priority is going to be the map sensor. Possible cause. And i dont know what the deal is, if youre driving this thing or what. But if what your describing is a misfire then the plug gap has alot to do with it.
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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostedb20EH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright your first priority is going to be the map sensor. Possible cause. And i dont know what the deal is, if youre driving this thing or what. But if what your describing is a misfire then the plug gap has alot to do with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point.

What do you have your plugs gapped at, and what plugs are you using?
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