im sorry im probly lazy tonight to search, look at the time its light, mind as well post one.

my question is can i B.A.R my B20b? lots of people said that no you cant. i just wanna clarify that, thats all. please, im begging dont post "been covered before/use search button"

i got this off another thread like 2003 thread

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by . &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JDM MOTORS CAN BE LEGAL AS LONG AS:

1. The engine is the same year as car or newer.

2. The ECU is a USDM and not JDM.

3. NO JDM wiring harness, it must be USDM. (I am a little confused about this, I am wondering if my USDM CX harness will pass?)

4. The intake must be the original USDM air box, OR an intake that has a C.A.R.B sticker that is STRICTLY for the swapped motor. (Example: an AEM CAI for a GSR with a GSR motor will PASS, a AEM CAI for a Type R with a GSR motor will NOT pass)

5. The exhaust manifold MUST BE USDM, and if it is not O.E. then it must have a C.A.R.B sticker that matches the motor. I asked the ref. if they could really tell the difference between a stock USDM and JDM exhaust manifold, and he said that they have pictures for everything, and there are slight differences.

6. No adjustable FPR's, not unless it has a C.A.R.B. sticker. Does anyone know if the AEM FPR is C.A.R.B legal?

7. Must have a catalytic converter hooked up (this one is pretty obvious).

8. All USDM O.E. smog equipment MUST be hooked up and working properly!

*YOU ONLY GET TO VISIT THE SMOG REF. TWO TIMES TO TRY AND HAVE THE SWAPPED MOTOR PASS; AFTER THE SECOND TIME, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, I GUESS YOU ARE **** OUT OF LUCK*</TD></TR></TABLE>

and in that same thread one guy post that he bar'd a b20 in his car..

my car is a 1991 civic sedan 4DR
-jdm 96 B20b w/ paperwork from Attarco
-OBD-0
-stock LS manifold
-stock LS headers w/ o2 sensor
-aem inake with carb sticker
-car idles fine
-custom 2.5 exhaust w/ stock cat resonator and muffler (stock wise, 2.5 for my b20 to flow)
-check engine light works properly
-92-93 integra LS ecu
-usdm wire harness im sure cause bought the engine with the car (from a friend)
-everything else is STOCK


my motor

my exhaust


even if my car cant BAR, how much does it cos anyways??


Modified by My_EFsedan at 1:23 PM 8/6/2007

 

no u cannot bar a B20 for the shear fact that ref's classify the B20 as a truck/suv motor. and thats the main reason y u cant ref it.


as for only goin 2 times thats bull. i had to go about 4-5 times because my LS at the time was runnin high on NOX. but the ref i went to told me that u can go as many times as u need too. as long as u pay each time.

 

dang....someone told me that as long as its a newer engine than the cars year, and its a 4dr, then you can bar...flucken liar!!

thanks..dmanitjhduiafgcrvhAWNRGgfubEVkw r i waNANAR bar AFNSKJ MY ENGIANE!!

 

i kno how u feel. i was hella happy as soon as i reff'ed my crx. i was like F*** u PIGS. lol. but u might have to pull the motor and swap in an LS then reff. n after u ref swap it back. cuz the B20 and LS look identical right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx_si-r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i kno how u feel. i was hella happy as soon as i reff'ed my crx. i was like F*** u PIGS. lol. but u might have to pull the motor and swap in an LS then reff. n after u ref swap it back. cuz the B20 and LS look identical right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

naw cant do that becasue on the tag that you are issued from the ref says:
"94 acura
1.8 non vtec"

So it would be hard to pull that off becasue of the different motor stamps

 

Question to op how do you use an obd1 pr4 from a 92-93 integra if you are remaining obd0?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 143MYVTECEF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Question to op how do you use an obd1 pr4 from a 92-93 integra if you are remaining obd0? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i might be mistaken? more info in the morning. i gots to go to work

 

to any one who knows
ok i am doing a RHD clip on my crx wich comes with the b16
i didnt plan on changeing the harness only cus thats less thing i have to take out*no i am not doing fire wall swap and i have my resons*
so in order to have my crx pass i have to take out the damn wire harness anyways and switch to OBD1 or am i mestaken please some one explain so i can figure out what i want to do??

 

not true, back in the days you could get a b20 to pass bar. not any more because it's classified as a truck motor. but the old preludes 88-91 i think had the engine code of b20

 

My_EFsedan;

<U>When in doubt, ask the Referee!!!</U> I've never had a problem with just going by and waiting until they have some time, and then asking a question. Treat them with respect for their time, and they will do the same.

As far as I'm conserned, you can't BAR a B20 due to it's being a "truck" engine.

Unless the process has changed, you get to see the Referee twice for the initial payment. If you still don't pass, you have to pay again. But you can go as many times as it takes.

Wes (with a BAR'd B18c1 in an 89 civic) Vann

 

Which is exactly why I moved to Florida. But that was short lived because then I moved to PA and we have emissions and inspection. The only way a motor swap will pass is if it's emissions output is within the ranges of the stock motor. But then again if you take it to a dealership and have a receipt showing that you paid more than $150 in mechanical work to get it to pass they'll issue you a waiver and your good for a year.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by My_EFsedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I asked the ref. if they could really.......

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if you already talked to a ref, why are you starting a new thread?

 

anyone know whats the issue if i convert over to obd1 wirring in my 89 sedan? It shouldn't be an issue if i have all the smog items, and running the correct computer with the engine. Right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if you already talked to a ref, why are you starting a new thread? </TD></TR></TABLE>

i didnt say that, and this is my 1st thread on his topic, that was a quote from antoher thread

can someone list me the cost for this BARing? the process..

 

cost is the same as a smog test. + bar sticker. i think mine was about $40

 

8. All USDM O.E. smog equipment MUST be hooked up and working properly!

the smog equipment must also meet requirements of the year the motor is. with a 96 block you have to meet the obd2 standard if i remember correctly

 

my buddy just got a hatch with a ls, to get it bar'ed, do they look at the wiring harness to check if its all been cut up or not?

and where exactly are you supposed to go to get a ref? chp or dmv, or.... thanks!

 

Damn you Cali guys get screwed on emissions tests

 

Referee Scheduling Center:
(800) 622-7733

I visited the ref 5 times to get my B18a legal in my CRX. They don't just look at your wiring, they check your vacuum line routing as well. They are extrememly thorough these days and smarter than you think.

Like Wes said, they have always been great about answering questions and printing diagrams.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crazykamper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my buddy just got a hatch with a ls, to get it bar'ed, do they look at the wiring harness to check if its all been cut up or not?

and where exactly are you supposed to go to get a ref? chp or dmv, or.... thanks!</TD></TR></TABLE>

they check everything. I was lucky enough to pass on my 1st try. Just make sure to go over everything and make it perfect before you think of going.

 

good to know! thanks.

 

another question just popped up, scince they do look at all the wiring ect, does that mean that i need to have the entire obd1 harness on my car? or could i just have a jumper, the car currently is running a crx ecu that is chipped, we tried putting in a b16 ecu, and the car just shut off..... (still lots of bugs to figure out...car was just bought the other day... runs like a champ on the chipped ecu that it came with... besides the fact of high idle....)

 

This is true you can't bar this motor one is the ref will call it a suv/truck motor BUT i have heard that you can exempt your car and make it pass Thats what the ref told me best thing to do is call and make an appointment and they will tell you all the 411 you need to KNOW...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MOE@Hyper16Valve &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is true you can't bar this motor one is the ref will call it a suv/truck motor BUT i have heard that you can exempt your car and make it pass Thats what the ref told me best thing to do is call and make an appointment and they will tell you all the 411 you need to KNOW...</TD></TR></TABLE>

kools, ill try to give it a shot..(to call that is)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Under Con. CrX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to any one who knows
ok i am doing a RHD clip on my crx wich comes with the b16
i didnt plan on changeing the harness only cus thats less thing i have to take out*no i am not doing fire wall swap and i have my resons*
so in order to have my crx pass i have to take out the damn wire harness anyways and switch to OBD1 or am i mestaken please some one explain so i can figure out what i want to do??</TD></TR></TABLE>
i want to know this also ?