Hello people,

Recently I've been looking into a massive upgrade on my 92 civic si hatch. Right now i'm at 267k and i decided that when i hit 400k i will do an engine swap, repaint, exhaust and rims.

My question is which of the 2 engines would be a better suit for this car. A b16 or a gs-r. Which of the two would provide the least amount of problems when doing the swap, and which would be able to give me the most noticable power/accelaration difference when runnning them stock in my car?

P.S. I'm still open for suggestions on any other potential project cars. The reason i decided to do this much work is becuase i find that i will still be spending less doing this, than i would if i were to get my Acura TSX...the next car that i plan on buying.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hello people,

Recently I've been looking into a massive upgrade on my 92 civic si hatch. Right now i'm at 267k and i decided that when i hit 400k i will do an engine swap, repaint, exhaust and rims.

My question is which of the 2 engines would be a better suit for this car. A b16 or a gs-r. Which of the two would provide the least amount of problems when doing the swap, and which would be able to give me the most noticable power/accelaration difference when runnning them stock in my car?

P.S. I'm still open for suggestions on any other potential project cars. The reason i decided to do this much work is becuase i find that i will still be spending less doing this, than i would if i were to get my Acura TSX...the next car that i plan on buying.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this question get asked atleast 10x a day, maybe more.
they are equivelant as far as bolting into your car, the gsr does have alittle more power and more torque.

but the b16 is alittle cheaper.
you best bet will to look through these:
https://honda-tech.com/zerosearch
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/878010

 

400k? By that time everyone will be driving flying cars

 

Sorry about that..didn't mean to post redundant questions

 

You are at 267k now and you are planning to do the swap at 400k... doing math that is a difference of 133k miles at a average of 12k a year you are looking at 10yrs down the road? Am I reading this right? Even at 20k miles a year you are still 5yrs+ in the making... why ask the question now? Unless you mean 300k and not 400k. Even if that were the case... do you drive 33k miles a year? You are at the least, a year out... at the least

 

Well i drive from Georgetown,ON to Waterloo,ON everyday for 4 months on and off. I managed to put on about 80k in less than a year..so i'm really not considered the "average" driver at this point

 

With the amount of mileage you put on in a given year are you sure you want to fork over 3k+ on a motor swap when its going to see 80k+ a year? You are going to replace a motor every 2 years at that pace or at least rebuild or extensive repairs.

A D16z6/y8 may be your best bet

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well i drive from Georgetown,ON to Waterloo,ON everyday for 4 months on and off. I managed to put on about 80k in less than a year..so i'm really not considered the "average" driver at this point</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, if you are putting down this many miles, then i don't recommend you get a motor for this car, unless you make your current car a weekend warrior and pick up a daily driver.

 

The reason i put 400k as the golden number was becuase i plan on hopefully graduating by that time. The only reason i drive that far is because of school..so..i figured..once i don't have to deal with that...and can fall back into the "average driver" catagory, i should be in good shape with an engine swap that would give me an egine with roughly 40k-50k on it already....basically just broken in.

 

Well if that is the case you will be fine with a swap. I would go for the GSR unless you are feeling a B18b1 stock or turbo'd

 

Hold on, i'm still familiarizing myself with all the engin codes....b18? Which one was that again?

 

if you drive that much, swap a d-series into your commuter and buy a shell to put the gsr/b16 in to.

 

B18B(1) = 94+ Integra LS
B18A(1) = 90-93 Integra LS
B18C(1) = 94+ Integra GSR
B18C(5) = 97+ Integra Type R

B17A(1?) = 92-93 Integra GSR

B16A(2/3) = 94-97 Del Sol VTEC, 99-00 Civic Si

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hold on, i'm still familiarizing myself with all the engin codes....b18? Which one was that again?</TD></TR></TABLE>

b18c1 - gsr
b18c5 - itr
b18b - ls

b16a jdm civic/integra (integras pre 1994)
b16a2 96-97 del sol, 99-00 civic si
b16a3 94-95 del dol

b20 crv

if i forgot any, feel free to add.

 

since you have a 92 civ hatch, neither the b16 or b18 are going to drop in... other than that, you get what you pay for... gsr is a little more expensive but you get about 10 hp/lbs tq..... your choice. As far as reliability go, they are both honda b series.. of course they are both good

 

if that is the case..b16a would be the one for me..since i would want to end up with a Civic SIR..when i bought the car, it was baged up V-tech DOHC and SIR on the rear bumper, so i want to do my best to make that a reality

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_dc2_B18c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">since you have a 92 civ hatch, neither the b16 or b18 are going to drop in... : </TD></TR></TABLE>

huh, explain?
it's a straight bolt on.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by philosofy1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

b18c1 - gsr
b18c5 - itr
b18b - ls

b16a jdm civic/integra (integras pre 1994)
b16a2 96-97 del sol, 99-00 civic si
b16a3 94-95 del dol

b20 crv

if i forgot any, feel free to add.</TD></TR></TABLE>

everything but the b16a(1) is a usdm unit (just for clarification), this is all correct still tho

 

most people who i've talked to about that swap suggest that the b16 would end up fitting like a glove. The gs-r would be the one that would most likely cause the most potential problems in terms of fitting.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most people who i've talked to about that swap suggest that the b16 would end up fitting like a glove. The gs-r would be the one that would most likely cause the most potential problems in terms of fitting.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Myth.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM_dc2_B18c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">since you have a 92 civ hatch, neither the b16 or b18 are going to drop in... other than that, you get what you pay for... gsr is a little more expensive but you get about 10 hp/lbs tq..... your choice. As far as reliability go, they are both honda b series.. of course they are both good </TD></TR></TABLE>

What is sam's hill are you talking about. Hmm I have a 92 hatch with a friggin GSR in it. No different than when I put my B16 in.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most people who i've talked to about that swap suggest that the b16 would end up fitting like a glove. The gs-r would be the one that would most likely cause the most potential problems in terms of fitting.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Incorrect. Theres no reason for a GSR to not fit.

 

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everything but the b16a(1) is a usdm unit (just for clarification), this is all correct still tho</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh? humm...there is no usdm b16a, let alone a b16a1.

and to the OP, it's the same swap whether it's a b16 or b18.

 

Since you've put in both, would you say the extra cash is worth that little bit of extra power? Or would a simple mod to the b16 be up to par with the gs-r?

 

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asking this question is opening a can of worms.
it all depends on your goals. a b16 would be great if you don't plan on making to much mods, or plan to go turbo.

the b18 would be a better canidate for N/A, but turbo wouldn't hurt either.

it all depends on how big your bank account is.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DJP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Since you've put in both, would you say the extra cash is worth that little bit of extra power? Or would a simple mod to the b16 be up to par with the gs-r?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I really wasn't satisfied at all with my 175whp B16. It was alright but still felt slow and pain in the *** driving up hills (lack of torque)

Only good thing about getting that swap in the first place was getting the head and trans with it. Now I'm a running a poorman's R (GSR block/B16 head/ITR internals) Not like this setup has a shitload of torque either but its still better than the B16

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by philosofy1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

asking this question is opening a can of worms.
it all depends on your goals. a b16 would be great if you don't plan on making to much mods, or plan to go turbo.

the b18 would be a better canidate for N/A, but turbo wouldn't hurt either.

it all depends on how big your bank account is.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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