ok am i looking at the right part here i know motec is hella expensive but

15002 PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with NTK, 2.5m $ 1,860.98
15002LL PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with NTK, 5m $ 1,915.10
15003 PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with LSU, 2.5m $ 1,783.98
15003LL PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with LSU, 5m $ 1,840.00
15004 PLM - METER ONLY $ 1,355.38

15002 PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with NTK, 2.5m $ 1,676.00
15002LL PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with NTK, 5m $ 1,732.03 15003 PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with LSU, 2.5m $ 1,599.00
15003LL PLM - PRO LAMBDA MTR KIT with LSU, 5m $ 1,655.03
15004 PLM - METER ONLY $ 1,269.71

 

come on anyone know a place with a reasonable price

 

you get what you pay for man. you realy dont have to use motec unless you have a top class set up. and running 9's

 

Whichever one you get use the NTK sensor.

Seems like they are all the same except for sensor cable lengths and sensor types.

 

what is your reason behind this ? im sure you wont be using it as much as a shop. so is the cost really justified ? there are plenty of options out there that can much more suit your needs.

 

Its the cool thing to do.LOL

 

Those prices look about right, we're not talking about a PLX meter here...

actually, i think they've gone up. The prices always fluctuate on those things, i got a PLM with an NTK sensor a couple weeks ago and it was about $2100

 

geez has SSautochrome not knocked these off yet???! LOL

 

thanks tepid i know to use only NTK sensors
tony i would like to use the motec because its to most accurate wideband i've seen in use how accurate is the autronic gas analyer type B with NTK ???

also is the FJO with NTK anywhere near as accurate as the motec ??? if so ill buy one from jeff

 

Anything with the NTK sensor is generally going to more than accurate enough for anything you're doing...

 

Geez that wideband is more expensive then my motor.

 

MoTeC pricing is going to be pretty much uniform wherever you look, unless you can find used units.

Any reason you need an NTK? I would just go with a Bosch 4.0. Accurate and cheaper!

edit: Pricing has gone up a bit from what you have listed. A PLM kit w/ Bosch 4.0 and standard harness is right at $1882 now.



Modified by Hunter at 3:48 PM 8/16/2007

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hunter &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MoTeC pricing is going to be pretty much uniform wherever you look, unless you can find used units.

Any reason you need an NTK? I would just go with a Bosch 4.0. Accurate and cheaper!

edit: Pricing has gone up a bit from what you have listed. A PLM kit w/ Bosch 4.0 and standard harness is right at $1882 now.

Modified by Hunter at 3:48 PM 8/16/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>

NTK are better than bosch LSU4 in every area hands down

 

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NTK are better than bosch LSU4 in every area hands down </TD></TR></TABLE>

Right, they are better. But unless you are doing labratory testing you don't really need one.

 

Well, when you go through 5 bosch sensors before you go through 1 NTK sensor, the Bosch route is no longer the cheaper route. And it DOES happen that way.

 

you're not gonna go through 5 bosch sensors in the same time as 1 ntk. maybe if it's oriented improperly in the piping or you're running leaded gas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hunter &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're not gonna go through 5 bosch sensors in the same time as 1 ntk. maybe if it's oriented improperly in the piping or you're running leaded gas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i will be using leaded gas an unleaded gas so i need a sensor that can take the abuse the bosch cant its that simple. besides put a bosch on car and do lots of dyno runs on it then strap a NTK on an do lots of runs the NTK will last longer.

also the sensor is 18-20in. downstream on the downpipe.

 

There are way cheaper alternatives to GOOD sensors out there... just need to know where to look.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hunter &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you're not gonna go through 5 bosch sensors in the same time as 1 ntk. maybe if it's oriented improperly in the piping or you're running leaded gas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm on my sixth or seventh Bosch in 2.5 years. I've met guys who've run around with one NTK that is as old, and no backup on hand if it fails. Based on my experience with Bosch sensors that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

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guys its cool im going to use a NTK reguardless i know its proven an $200 for a sensor isnt a big deal to me right now. what is though, is tring to find a good accurate reader right now i have FJO an Motec on my mind i know they work an since i can get the FJO at a great rate thats what im leaning towards more untill i find a motec for a even $1000 or around $800

 

I'm really curious about what makes a $1500 controller unit better than a $300 one? There's nothing terribly fancy going on here... although some of the popular production pieces do have design flaws because they are aimed at competing in the $300 market - I am not talking about that.

 

i just want it to work an be accurate
would you compare a PLX to a Motec or innovate to FJO
your probably gonna say yes but your an awesome tuner not everyone is so there is a greater room for error by accident

 

No, I know the complaints with most of the $300 series, and won't argue those. For the most part, I agree with the complaints about them. Taking one of the better $300 units and fixing it's flaws without adding any new features would be worth $375-450 to me.

However, although I lack any and all experience with four-figure priced gear, given an electronics background I'm pretty freaking curious what makes them so speshul? Processor speed, DAC resolution, power conditioning, etc, costs are usually pennies per component for the better stuff and you spend an equal amount of time in programming firmware, beta testing, and designing any PC interface software. $20-30/unit extra cost in parts to make a better piece, so mark it up another $1100?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, I know the complaints with most of the $300 series, and won't argue those. For the most part, I agree with the complaints about them. Taking one of the better $300 units and fixing it's flaws without adding any new features would be worth $375-450 to me.

However, although I lack any and all experience with four-figure priced gear, given an electronics background I'm pretty freaking curious what makes them so speshul? Processor speed, DAC resolution, power conditioning, etc, costs are usually pennies per component for the better stuff and you spend an equal amount of time in programming firmware, beta testing, and designing any PC interface software. $20-30/unit extra cost in parts to make a better piece, so mark it up another $1100? </TD></TR></TABLE>

ill just say this we live in america everything is over priced

 

i think you missed every possible reason..... its the name tag.... der der der der