who here will be getting the new hondata?

anybody know what kind of gains it will produce on a bone stock motor? is it worth the price?

 

not worth the money.....

the search feature is down, but this has been discussed in detail......old news

you have to buy to many supporting parts....

AEM ftw

 

i guess well have to wait and see what happens.

if the kpro did wonders for the k20/24, im sure it will do the same for the f20/22

 

It all has to do with the "Tuner".....

I dont care if it is Honda tuning the car, if the person tuning does know what they are doing, it does not matter what engine management you are using.....

but you are missing the point.... for the price of the Hondata, you can get the AEM and have more tuning capabilities....and more cash for dyno time....

 

Too bad no one tunes AEM here in Hawaii

 

i was waiting for this to come out but now it doesn't help me at all because i can't use the stock ecu any ways. i can't pass emission test with the k-series ecu.

 

Actually, unlike the AEM, you CAN pass emissions testing with the Hondata ecu. It fulls supports OBD2 scantools, and if you input the VIN into the k-Pro software, it will tell the scantool the correct type of car and the correct vin as well. It also supports the temp gauge correctly (without the use of other products), and fits in the location of the stock ecu. It is also more user-friendly than the AEM.

Does it cost more? Yes, slightly. Are S2000 owners going to cry over a few dollars for the ability to easily pass emissions without a hassle? Probably not. I have one, and all the supporting parts, I just need to find an s2000 to put it into, now that I've sold my ITR to join this camp.

Just another opinion, from a guy who tunes these systems as well..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by locash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, unlike the AEM, you CAN pass emissions testing with the Hondata ecu. It fulls supports OBD2 scantools, and if you input the VIN into the k-Pro software, it will tell the scantool the correct type of car and the correct vin as well. It also supports the temp gauge correctly (without the use of other products), and fits in the location of the stock ecu. It is also more user-friendly than the AEM.

Does it cost more? Yes, slightly. Are S2000 owners going to cry over a few dollars for the ability to easily pass emissions without a hassle? Probably not. I have one, and all the supporting parts, I just need to find an s2000 to put it into, now that I've sold my ITR to join this camp.

Just another opinion, from a guy who tunes these systems as well..</TD></TR></TABLE>
so you're telling me that even though you're using a K-series ecu in an s2k, it will still pass obd2 scan emission test. I thought that each ecu has it’s own code and an obd2 scanner could tell if you’re not running the correct ecu with the car. My state doesn’t do exhaust gas test, they just do obd2 scan and gas cap test. That would be great news if I can still pass emission with hondata.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by locash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, unlike the AEM, you CAN pass emissions testing with the Hondata ecu. It fulls supports OBD2 scantools, and if you input the VIN into the k-Pro software, it will tell the scantool the correct type of car and the correct vin as well. It also supports the temp gauge correctly (without the use of other products), and fits in the location of the stock ecu. It is also more user-friendly than the AEM.

Does it cost more? Yes, slightly. Are S2000 owners going to cry over a few dollars for the ability to easily pass emissions without a hassle? Probably not. I have one, and all the supporting parts, I just need to find an s2000 to put it into, now that I've sold my ITR to join this camp.

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are you on crack? how the hell k-pro would pass smog? as soon as it's pluged into the obd2 scanner at the smog station, it'll fail visual /tampered electrical emission.

 

ramble ramble!!! i wanna see some hair pulling... ROFL

 

from hondata site:

"OBDII Scan tools. OBDII scan tools work normally, and is smog compatible. Note that the S2000 K-Pro is not smog legal, and for off road use only."

 

^ it should pass a visual inspection if they're just going to plug it into the obd2 scan port because nothing is changed there, unless they pull the panel off and check the ecu code.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LBBP R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">from hondata site:

"OBDII Scan tools. OBDII scan tools work normally, and is smog compatible. Note that the S2000 K-Pro is not smog legal, and for off road use only."</TD></TR></TABLE>

i wouldnt use s2000 for an off road... i would use this... ROFL

 

Am I on crack? Are you a circus clown? The answer to the first question is No. Please don't assume you know the correct answers if you have never used the system. As a matter of fact, I took my k-swapped 99 Integra through emissions, with a k-pro, and it passed all OBD2 scan tests perfectly. Needless to say, I did not have the correct obd2 compliant sensors either. I've personally hooked up equipment to the obd2 port to check the readiness codes, and all were set to "passed".

Just because they cover their *** and say "not smog legal", doesn't mean anything.

You can also input the VIN into the k-pro software and upload it to the ecu, it will then report that vin to the obd2 scantools that support it.

 

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are you on crack? how the hell k-pro would pass smog? as soon as it's pluged into the obd2 scanner at the smog station, it'll fail visual /tampered electrical emission. </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol! Someone got yelled at! lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by locash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I on crack? Are you a circus clown? The answer to the first question is No. Please don't assume you know the correct answers if you have never used the system. As a matter of fact, I took my k-swapped 99 Integra through emissions, with a k-pro, and it passed all OBD2 scan tests perfectly. Needless to say, I did not have the correct obd2 compliant sensors either. I've personally hooked up equipment to the obd2 port to check the readiness codes, and all were set to "passed".

Just because they cover their *** and say "not smog legal", doesn't mean anything.

You can also input the VIN into the k-pro software and upload it to the ecu, it will then report that vin to the obd2 scantools that support it.

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what about the immobilizer? who do you bypass that?

 

1. All states do emissions differently.
2. There is no GUARANTEE that you will pass.
3. Vin numbers don't matter, hence the reason they scan the bar code at the emissions station (in VA anyways), and on top of that, what they use in VA doesn't extract the VIN numbers from the ECU, we've tried numerous times.
4. The OBDII scanner will read the Make and Model of the car and the year, and in which case with this system it will read that the car is an RSX. So (In VA) you fail. Unless of course, you're able to input the Make and Model and year of the car on top of the VIN number (that isn't needed).
5. I will say it again. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL PASS EMISSIONS!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by locash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I on crack? Are you a circus clown? The answer to the first question is No. Please don't assume you know the correct answers if you have never used the system.
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Before you get your panties in a bunch and start thinking you're Mr. Knowitall (about this system). You might want to heed to your own advice. Don't assume the correct answers till you know more facts about emissions outside of your own district/state.

It might pass in your state, but it might not in another.

 

damn, so obd2 scan will read make and model from the ecu, in which case it will fail. that sucks.

i guess i'll just have to resort back to AEM F/IC piggy back when they come out with a harness for the s2k.

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCa...D=116

 

sorry locash, maybe i over-react a little...

the thing is that most likely the vehicle with hondata k-pro are highly modified, such as F/I or N/A w/ illegal intake and such. most likely, we'll not see a stock engine s2k w/ hondata that'll cost approx $2k. also, why would anyone would take a chance going thru smog emission on stock engine w/ hondata? is it, better off the driver install stock ecu.

it's RSX ecu, so if you turn the obd2 feature back on, wouldn't you get "check engine light" for VTC.. I know you can disable VTC, but is that feature separate from all OBD2 function?

anyways, I don't see why ppl would go thru smog check stock engine w/ hondata ecu and if the vehicle is modified w/ hondata, most likely the vehicle will not pass the visual inspection.

 

just another idea here.. since you have to use an RSX ecu for the hondata, couldn't you just put your fractory S2k ecu back in the car when its time to get smogged? Sure, if your car has extensive mods, it won't run perfectly, but then again, if it has extensive mods, you probably aren't passing emmissions anyway.

Point being.. just use your factory ecu to pass emissions. it can't take long to swap out. If you are highly modified, then you are doing other things to skirt around the smog issue anyway, so having the rsx ecu really doesn't matter.

 

Here in NY the OBD2 tester does request the VIN#. No make/model info.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by papa5murf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. All states do emissions differently.
2. There is no GUARANTEE that you will pass.
3. Vin numbers don't matter, hence the reason they scan the bar code at the emissions station (in VA anyways), and on top of that, what they use in VA doesn't extract the VIN numbers from the ECU, we've tried numerous times.
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All states do the ASM dyno test differently but all OBD2 tests are performed the same throughout the country (fuel cap, catalyst, visually check the mil light, and dlc 16 port OBD2 test-readiness monitors, Mode-9, mil light status). We do VIN inquiry with Mode 9 on certain 02 vehicles, and all 03+ obd2 vehicles in VA. If you've tried it before don't get your hopes up, I have seen people get heavy fines and lose jobs for thinking the same.

 

I'm fairly new to VA, I've only lived here for three years, but I have never had to get a vehicle smog tested. Is that only the case in NOVA, that you would have to get smog tested?

 

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Emission inspections are only done in nova but if your out of the area and commute to work in nova there are road sensing devices at busy locations where it measures your vehicle emissions via infrared for HC CO NOx. If you fail you have 30 days to repair the car.