b18 upgrades
Hey guys I got a b1b1 in a 99 civic ex and wantes to do some upgrades I was thinkin a new intake manifold,new throttle body,intake,headers and full exhaust witout cat... how much hp would u guys think this could push wit these upgrades also does ne1 have ne other easy mods that will produce more hp? Thanks
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After you throw all that **** on there you'll have like ~15-25 more hp. Maybe a little more depending on how good of an intake manifold we're talking here.
You gotta understand, your motor isn't considered "high output" - especially without boost. So you can run no cat, no exhaust, etc. etc. etc. all you want and it's gonna make a difference that's null. It's not like you're running a boosted app.
As long as the intake manifold intake port and the throttle body are ported the same you shouldn't have any problems with that - as long as hte intake manifold's made my a decent company (I'd stay away from skunk2 if I were you, their intake manifolds got issues....go w/ edelbrock).
As for headers - you can only put one header on your car since it only has one bank. Just got with an "okay" or used 4-2-1 style - don't spend 450 bux on a brand new DC Sports header as it won't do jack **** for you - same with the intake, stay away from V2's, and Injen short rams, etc. - go with some cheap **** piping and put a K&N at the end of it. Ebay pipes are GREAT for this b/c they're exactly the same - so you pick the piping up for 30 bux - then spend ~50 on a good filter - and you got the same exact deal as something AEM would charge you 200 bux for.
You won't make a lot of power outta this setup though - especially without touching the internals, you're only increasing its fluid dynamics - not really hitting anything large. The fluid dynamics are important, yes, but they usually aren't noticeably important until you're outputting a lot of power.
Instead of all this name brand **** if you wanna go all motor bump the compression ratio. Yeah, it's not all bolt-ons - but a higher comp ratio with an intake/header/exhaust will really pop the #'s up there.
Obviously, as I'm sure many have told you already, boost (turbo) is your best option. The 1.8 is still kinda small for supercharging so I'd turbo. For 2500 or so you could run that block 250-280whp - some people even push it to or over 300, which I wouldn't do on a stock block (it's about 120whp right now).
That's 200% your current hp - at least.
Think about it man, save a little more, get drastically different results.
Which would you rather have, a bunch of bolt-ons giving you 150whp, or a turbo setup for the same price giving you 250whp?
Hope that helps a bit.
You gotta understand, your motor isn't considered "high output" - especially without boost. So you can run no cat, no exhaust, etc. etc. etc. all you want and it's gonna make a difference that's null. It's not like you're running a boosted app.
As long as the intake manifold intake port and the throttle body are ported the same you shouldn't have any problems with that - as long as hte intake manifold's made my a decent company (I'd stay away from skunk2 if I were you, their intake manifolds got issues....go w/ edelbrock).
As for headers - you can only put one header on your car since it only has one bank. Just got with an "okay" or used 4-2-1 style - don't spend 450 bux on a brand new DC Sports header as it won't do jack **** for you - same with the intake, stay away from V2's, and Injen short rams, etc. - go with some cheap **** piping and put a K&N at the end of it. Ebay pipes are GREAT for this b/c they're exactly the same - so you pick the piping up for 30 bux - then spend ~50 on a good filter - and you got the same exact deal as something AEM would charge you 200 bux for.
You won't make a lot of power outta this setup though - especially without touching the internals, you're only increasing its fluid dynamics - not really hitting anything large. The fluid dynamics are important, yes, but they usually aren't noticeably important until you're outputting a lot of power.
Instead of all this name brand **** if you wanna go all motor bump the compression ratio. Yeah, it's not all bolt-ons - but a higher comp ratio with an intake/header/exhaust will really pop the #'s up there.
Obviously, as I'm sure many have told you already, boost (turbo) is your best option. The 1.8 is still kinda small for supercharging so I'd turbo. For 2500 or so you could run that block 250-280whp - some people even push it to or over 300, which I wouldn't do on a stock block (it's about 120whp right now).
That's 200% your current hp - at least.
Think about it man, save a little more, get drastically different results.
Which would you rather have, a bunch of bolt-ons giving you 150whp, or a turbo setup for the same price giving you 250whp?
Hope that helps a bit.
Certain Intake manifolds (aftermarket) come with the Throttlebody with them already.
Since you have the LS motor, you have the option of going LS/Vtec swap, or boost, both of which, when done right, can give you a respectable amount of power. Any plans for either?
Since you have the LS motor, you have the option of going LS/Vtec swap, or boost, both of which, when done right, can give you a respectable amount of power. Any plans for either?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97Ej6mike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Certain Intake manifolds (aftermarket) come with the Throttlebody with them already.
Since you have the LS motor, you have the option of going LS/Vtec swap, or boost, both of which, when done right, can give you a respectable amount of power. Any plans for either?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, but w/o ripping apart the block and putting higher comp pistons in there (assuming he wants to stay all motor) an LS/VTEC is HARDLY worth it. You gotta pay what, 800, 1000 bux for the LS/VTEC conversion kit? If you're gonna leave the stock internals in there it's not worth it - VTEC isn't worth 1000 bux - sorry man.
Since you have the LS motor, you have the option of going LS/Vtec swap, or boost, both of which, when done right, can give you a respectable amount of power. Any plans for either?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, but w/o ripping apart the block and putting higher comp pistons in there (assuming he wants to stay all motor) an LS/VTEC is HARDLY worth it. You gotta pay what, 800, 1000 bux for the LS/VTEC conversion kit? If you're gonna leave the stock internals in there it's not worth it - VTEC isn't worth 1000 bux - sorry man.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Syndacate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yes, but w/o ripping apart the block and putting higher comp pistons in there (assuming he wants to stay all motor) an LS/VTEC is HARDLY worth it. You gotta pay what, 800, 1000 bux for the LS/VTEC conversion kit? If you're gonna leave the stock internals in there it's not worth it - VTEC isn't worth 1000 bux - sorry man.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I had no idea how much a conversion kit cost, but i do know that with research around here and in the forced induction section will let you know enough and what to look for in a turbo/kit instead of simply just blowing all of your money on headers, intake manifolds, etc. Syndacate is right about turbo.
Yes, but w/o ripping apart the block and putting higher comp pistons in there (assuming he wants to stay all motor) an LS/VTEC is HARDLY worth it. You gotta pay what, 800, 1000 bux for the LS/VTEC conversion kit? If you're gonna leave the stock internals in there it's not worth it - VTEC isn't worth 1000 bux - sorry man.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I had no idea how much a conversion kit cost, but i do know that with research around here and in the forced induction section will let you know enough and what to look for in a turbo/kit instead of simply just blowing all of your money on headers, intake manifolds, etc. Syndacate is right about turbo.
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